Come on. Going for it on 4th and about 12 from midfield when you are ahead by one touchdown in the closing minutes of the first half.

Remember, if we both tie at the same record, the Bills pick before us based on head to head.

no they don't, head to head is NOT the tiebreaker

Damn, it is berk. You need to go back to draft elemnentary school.

it is common knowledge that the draft tiebreaker is opponent's strength of schedule, not head to head, so maybe you are the one who needs schooling

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> it is common knowledge that the draft tiebreaker
> is opponent's strength of schedule, not head to
> head, so maybe you are the one who needs schooling


There are SEVERAL tiebreakers berk, not just one.

And weren't you the one that I had to educate about the strength of schedule tiebreaker a couple of weeks ago.

YOu want me to find the post.

jesus, read what you just wrote. bolding the second sentence does not change the meaning of the first--"if ties exist in any grouping except (2) above, such ties shall be broken by strength-of-schedule."

That's an order of priority! That doesn't mean that the second rule doesn't exist.

are you really trying to say that we are talking about "a" tiebreaker and not "the" tiebreaker. you are taking dissembling to a new level.

yes please find the post, I will give you $100 if you can find any post where I said the draft tiebreaker is anything other than SOS.

are you really trying to say that we are talking about "a" tiebreaker and not "the" tiebreaker. you are taking dissembling to a new level.

yes please find the post, I will give you $100 if you can find any post where I said the draft tiebreaker is anything other than SOS.

* deleted double post



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/01/2012 10:36AM by berkeley223.

please explain your original point, einstein


Remember, if we both tie at the same record, the Bills pick before us based on head to head.

The following are the way the standings are before the start of today's game.


NFL Team Conf Div W L T Pct PF PA Net Pts TD Home Road Div Pct Conf Pct Non-Conf Streak Last 5
*- Green Bay Packers NFC NCN 14 1 0 .933 515 318 197 64 7-0 7-1 5-0 1.000 11-0 1.000 3-1 1W 4-1
z- New England Patriots AFC ACE 12 3 0 .800 464 321 143 55 6-1 6-2 4-1 .800 9-2 .818 3-1 7W 5-0
z- New Orleans Saints NFC NCS 12 3 0 .800 502 322 180 60 7-0 5-3 4-1 .800 8-3 .727 4-0 7W 5-0
z- San Francisco 49ers NFC NCW 12 3 0 .800 346 202 144 31 7-1 5-2 4-1 .800 9-2 .818 3-1 2W 3-2
y- Baltimore Ravens AFC ACN 11 4 0 .733 354 250 104 38 8-0 3-4 5-0 1.000 8-3 .727 3-1 1W 4-1
y- Pittsburgh Steelers AFC ACN 11 4 0 .733 312 218 94 35 7-1 4-3 3-2 .600 8-3 .727 3-1 1W 4-1
y- Detroit Lions NFC NCN 10 5 0 .667 433 342 91 52 5-3 5-2 3-2 .600 6-5 .545 4-0 3W 3-2
z- Houston Texans AFC ACS 10 5 0 .667 359 255 104 39 5-2 5-3 4-1 .800 8-3 .727 2-2 2L 3-2
y- Atlanta Falcons NFC NCS 9 6 0 .600 357 326 31 40 5-2 4-4 2-3 .400 6-5 .545 3-1 1L 3-2
Cincinnati Bengals AFC ACN 9 6 0 .600 328 299 29 34 4-3 5-3 2-3 .400 6-5 .545 3-1 2W 3-2
Dallas Cowboys NFC NCE 8 7 0 .533 355 316 39 37 5-3 3-4 2-3 .400 6-5 .545 2-2 1L 2-3
Denver Broncos AFC ACW 8 7 0 .533 306 383 -77 36 3-4 5-3 3-2 .600 6-5 .545 2-2 2L 3-2
New York Giants NFC NCE 8 7 0 .533 363 386 -23 43 3-4 5-3 2-3 .400 4-7 .364 4-0 1W 2-3
New York Jets AFC ACE 8 7 0 .533 360 344 16 43 6-2 2-5 3-2 .600 6-5 .545 2-2 2L 3-2
Oakland Raiders AFC ACW 8 7 0 .533 333 395 -62 36 3-4 5-3 3-2 .600 6-5 .545 2-2 1W 2-3
Tennessee Titans AFC ACS 8 7 0 .533 302 295 7 32 5-3 3-4 2-3 .400 6-5 .545 2-2 1W 3-2
Arizona Cardinals NFC NCW 7 8 0 .467 289 328 -39 35 5-2 2-6 3-2 .600 6-5 .545 1-3 1L 4-1
Chicago Bears NFC NCN 7 8 0 .467 336 328 8 36 5-3 2-5 2-3 .400 6-5 .545 1-3 5L 0-5
Philadelphia Eagles NFC NCE 7 8 0 .467 362 318 44 42 2-5 5-3 4-1 .800 5-6 .455 2-2 3W 3-2
San Diego Chargers AFC ACW 7 8 0 .467 368 351 17 41 5-3 2-5 2-3 .400 6-5 .545 1-3 1L 3-2
Seattle Seahawks NFC NCW 7 8 0 .467 301 292 9 33 4-4 3-4 3-2 .600 6-5 .545 1-3 1L 3-2
Buffalo Bills AFC ACE 6 9 0 .400 351 385 -34 40 5-3 1-6 1-4 .200 4-7 .364 2-2 1W 1-4
Carolina Panthers NFC NCS 6 9 0 .400 389 384 5 46 3-5 3-4 2-3 .400 3-8 .273 3-1 2W 4-1
Kansas City Chiefs AFC ACW 6 9 0 .400 205 335 -130 19 3-5 3-4 2-3 .400 3-8 .273 3-1 1L 2-3
Miami Dolphins AFC ACE 5 10 0 .333 310 296 14 32 3-4 2-6 2-3 .400 4-7 .364 1-3 1L 2-3
Washington Redskins NFC NCE 5 10 0 .333 278 333 -55 27 2-6 3-4 2-3 .400 5-6 .455 0-4 1L 2-3
Cleveland Browns AFC ACN 4 11 0 .267 209 294 -85 21 3-4 1-7 0-5 .000 3-8 .273 1-3 5L 0-5
Jacksonville Jaguars AFC ACS 4 11 0 .267 224 316 -92 24 3-4 1-7 2-3 .400 3-8 .273 1-3 2L 1-4
Tampa Bay Buccaneers NFC NCS 4 11 0 .267 263 449 -186 27 3-5 1-6 2-3 .400 3-8 .273 1-3 9L 0-5
Minnesota Vikings NFC NCN 3 12 0 .200 327 432 -105 38 1-6 2-6 0-5 .000 3-8 .273 0-4 1W 1-4
Indianapolis Colts AFC ACS 2 13 0 .133 230 411 -181 24 2-6 0-7 2-3 .400 2-9 .182 0-4 2W 2-3
St. Louis Rams NFC NCW 2 13 0 .133 166 373 -207 15 1-6 1-7 0-5 .000 1-10 .091 1-3 6L



So it looks like we will win and they will lose. So I'll wait to see what you say when the NFL post that they are behind us in the standings.

It's simple, between two teams, the team with the better record drafts last.

ChyrenB Wrote:

> Remember, if we both tie at the same record, the
> Bills pick before us based on head to head.


once more, explain this comment

When you pick BEFORE a team, that means you have a HIGHER draft pick.

Let's say its four weeks ago and Indy is 0-12. They pick FIRST!

They have a higher pick since they have the number 1 pick.

They pick AHEAD OF EVERYBODY ELSE.

Now please explain what you understood.

if you are not going to answer my question, then just go away. you have made a complete fool out of yourself

so wait...your great insight in your post about tiebreakers is that the team with the worse record picks higher than the team with the better record? really? wow you are a genius.

the only thing you have proven is that you are an obstinate fool.

AGAIN you said "if we both tie at the same record, the Bills pick before us based on head to head. " a point that I have proven wrong about 10 times in this thread, and a point you are now pretending you never said.

you are delusional.

Only difference in Bills Schedule from ours are the last year's conference "place" teams in the North and South division.Bills played the Bangles and Titans, Dolphins played the Browns and Texans.

We will pick ahead of the Bills, even though the Bills end up last in the division.

The only draft tiebreaker is strength of schedule. Easier schedule picks first. There is no other draft tiebreaker, and showing up as 3rd in the division rather than 4th means nothing.



ChyrenB Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > the only thing you have proven is that you are
> an
> > obstinate fool.
> >
> > AGAIN you said "if we both tie at the same
> > record, the Bills pick before us based on head
> to
> > head. " a point that I have proven wrong about
> 10
> > times in this thread, and a point you are now
> > pretending you never said.
> >
> > you are delusional.
>
> We did tie at the same record! We are NOW both
> 6-10.
>
> The Bills DO pick ahead of us Now!!!!!
>
> The reason is that we are higher in the standings
> because we beat them head-to-head!
>
> Really, please somebody, get him straight.
>
> Treasure, I know you're not so politically correct
> that you don't want to get involved.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> DolfanMike Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Only difference in Bills Schedule from ours are
> > the last year's conference "place" teams in the
> > North and South division.Bills played the
> Bangles
> > and Titans, Dolphins played the Browns and
> > Texans.
> >
> > We will pick ahead of the Bills, even though
> the
> > Bills end up last in the division.
>
> Actually Dolfanmike, if you look above it says
> "TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING
> Clubs not participating in the playoffs shall
> select in the first through 20th positions in
> reverse standings order."
>
> ......then the other tiebreakers such as strength
> of schedule start to apply.
>
>
> We are higher in the Division than Buffalo based
> on head to head as we would be if we were
> competing with each other for the division
> championship or a wild card spot.


You are wrong.

For your benefit, berk, "higher in the division" means we have a better record which, in turn, means we draft later.

Then how do you read that sentence, DolfanMike?