Testing again.

DolfanMike Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
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> > yes, the truth = phinsfan2
>
>
> Yea, just figured it out by reading the other
> thread.
>
> I just guessed, he's the only sane person who's
> account was disabled. The others I've read -
> MikeO and that kid with 7 personalities... too
> smart to have been them.


Yes, it is I.

(see ChyrenB...this is why I had my former handle in my signature when I came back).

Glad to be back and thanks for the kind words.

fyi...my account was disabled at my request. Couldn't deal with a certain posters delusional paranoia any longer. I couldn't re-activate it so I went with a more provocative handle. I had explained this in my signature in order to avoid confusion for the short term, but that very same delusional poster complained about it so I changed it yet again. Sorry.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Testing again.


No need to spam the site with your practice insults.


There is a "preview" button for you to peruse your handy-work BEFORE you actually post it ya know.

Jesus, how long have you been posting on this site?

DolfanMike Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
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> > WestCoastDolFan Wrote:
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> > > I'm really proud of my team. They never quit
> > even
> > > in the face of stupidity. Stupidity in the
> > name
> > > of "suck for luck" and all the non-fans that
> > > wished for losses.
> >
> >
> > Here we go again....
>
> What do you mean again?


Hey Mike,

The point of my snarky comment was that some people can't accept that there are actually two view points in this debate and BOTH are correct from their point of view. Instead they have to insult or belittle those that don't agree with their position as if that somehow makes their opinion correct...or them some sort of super fan or 'true' fan.

Fact is there are two clear ways to approach rooting for this team:

You can view things from the perspective of your Head Coach and players which is "nose to the grind stone...all that matters is the game in front of you."


Or you can view things from a big picture/GM perspective where you would like to win now, but you have to be focused on putting the team in a position to be successful for the long term and accumulating the assets necessary to achieve that goal.

The point is that NEITHER view point makes someone a better fan than the others and anyone that suggests it does lacks the imagination necessary to understand the importance of BOTH view points in an organization.

The Truth, well i am glad you are back...LOL, that you disabled your account and then couldnt get it back..lol...I wish I was a fly on the wall.... Now I must ask, since it is your handle and I read your description but i am still curious.... Which of the substantive theories of Truth, are we basing this Truth on my friend?

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> The Truth, well i am glad you are back...LOL, that
> you disabled your account and then couldnt get it
> back..lol

While there certainly is a healthy mount of irony in how that played out...its nothing out of the ordinary. I asked to have my account deleted. Curt did so and put a hold on the account so nobody could use it. I couldn't reactivate it because of the block, and he wasn't around to remove it...so....voila!...now you get THE Truth.



>...I wish I was a fly on the wall.... Now
> I must ask, since it is your handle and I read
> your description but i am still curious.... Which
> of the substantive theories of Truth, are we
> basing this Truth on my friend?

THE Truth is what it is my friend.

Sometimes you like it. Sometimes it hurts to hear it.
Some embrace it. Others "can't handle it" and prefer to live in a fantasy world.

But regardless of the reactions it evokes, THE Truth is always what it is:

"THE Truth"





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/02/2012 08:41AM by THE Truth.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> See my friend, what happens is The Truth- is
> relative, and some even believe there is no truth
> at all.
>
> Other types of Truth, which is kind of the social
> circle by which members get in trouble with each
> other around here IMO is constructivist theory of
> Truth... which basicly says-
> Social constructivism holds that truth is
> constructed by social processes, is historically
> and culturally specific, and that it is in part
> shaped through the power struggles within a
> community. Constructivism views all of our
> knowledge as "constructed," because it does not
> reflect any external "transcendent" realities (as
> a pure correspondence theory might hold). Rather,
> perceptions of truth are viewed as contingent on
> convention, human perception, and social
> experience
>
> I would say some also believe truth in the form of
> consensus....not me- Consensus theory holds that
> truth is whatever is agreed upon, or in some
> versions, might come to be agreed upon, by some
> specified group Consensus in the 1400' s was
> surely not that the earth was round, but flat...
> Consensus is far to often wrong IMO.
>
> or the minimalist or deflationary approach to
> truth- basicly states..... the label truth is a
> tool of discourse used to express agreement, to
> emphasize claims, or to form certain types of
> generalizations
>
> SO i was wondering, which Truth in theory are we
> talking?


Don't bogart that joint.

DolfanMike Wrote:
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>
>
> Don't bogart that joint.


Or read a little philosophy every now and then, it is healthy...lol

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> DolfanMike Wrote:
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>
> >
> >
> > Don't bogart that joint.
>
>
> Or read a little philosophy every now and then, it
> is healthy...lol

THE Truth Wrote:
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>
>
> Hey Mike,
>
> The point of my snarky comment was that some
> people can't accept that there are actually two
> view points in this debate and BOTH are correct
> from their point of view. Instead they have to
> insult or belittle those that don't agree with
> their position as if that somehow makes their
> opinion correct...or them some sort of super fan
> or 'true' fan.
>

Oh, yes, absolutely. The idea of true debate has gotten lost on the internet. I blame Jerry Springer.


> Fact is there are two clear ways to approach
> rooting for this team:
>
> You can view things from the perspective of your
> Head Coach and players which is "nose to the grind
> stone...all that matters is the game in front of
> you."
>
>
> Or you can view things from a big picture/GM
> perspective where you would like to win now, but
> you have to be focused on putting the team in a
> position to be successful for the long term and
> accumulating the assets necessary to achieve that
> goal.
>
> The point is that NEITHER view point makes someone
> a better fan than the others and anyone that
> suggests it does lacks the imagination necessary
> to understand the importance of BOTH view points
> in an organization.


I would argue that there are more approaches, but I get your drift.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> See my friend, what happens is The Truth- is
> relative, and some even believe there is no truth
> at all.


And some people believe in the Easter Bunny...but that doesn't change THE Truth, does it?




>
> Other types of Truth, which is kind of the social
> circle by which members get in trouble with each
> other around here IMO is constructivist theory of
> Truth... which basicly says-
> Social constructivism holds that truth is
> constructed by social processes, is historically
> and culturally specific, and that it is in part
> shaped through the power struggles within a
> community. Constructivism views all of our
> knowledge as "constructed," because it does not
> reflect any external "transcendent" realities (as
> a pure correspondence theory might hold). Rather,
> perceptions of truth are viewed as contingent on
> convention, human perception, and social
> experience
>
> I would say some also believe truth in the form of
> consensus....not me- Consensus theory holds that
> truth is whatever is agreed upon, or in some
> versions, might come to be agreed upon, by some
> specified group Consensus in the 1400' s was
> surely not that the earth was round, but flat...
> Consensus is far to often wrong IMO.
>
> or the minimalist or deflationary approach to
> truth- basicly states..... the label truth is a
> tool of discourse used to express agreement, to
> emphasize claims, or to form certain types of
> generalizations
>
> SO i was wondering, which Truth in theory are we
> talking?


Truth is not a theory..its a reality. Its not a label, nor a theory. Its an Absolute.

The fact that some may not understand THE Truth, or may be positive the earth is flat doesn't change the fact that its not flat. It doesn't change THE Truth of the matter. It only highlights the fact that their perspective is wrong and they haven't been exposed to or embraced THE Truth as of yet.

Ignorance of THE Truth is not THE Truth. It's merely ill-informed ignorance, and that can only be changed by learning, and embracing, THE Truth.

THE Truth Wrote:
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>
>
> Truth is not a theory..its a reality. Its not a
> label, nor a theory. Its an Absolute.
>

Tell that to a Higgs boson.

The truth is subjective. Always has been , always will be. You want to believe it , it will be the truth.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> The truth is subjective. Always has been , always
> will be. You want to believe it , it will be the
> truth.


I believe what you are talking about is "Truthiness" which is slightly different than "Truth".

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> The truth is subjective. Always has been , always
> will be. You want to believe it , it will be the
> truth.


So if I want to believe that I can breathe water instead of air that will be true?

I'm going out on a limb here and I'm going to suggest that THE Truth is that I can't do that no matter how much I might want to believe it.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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>
> I find it hard to believe, you have never heard of
> substantive theories on truth...... but you are
> quoting a fictional character in a film(who left
> the screen on this film being charged as a
> murderer), so I have to accept anything could be
> possible...

What can I say...I'm a huge fan of irony.

Every time I experience it, it reminds me that there is a God, and that she has a sense of humor.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> > The truth is subjective. Always has been ,
> always
> > will be. You want to believe it , it will be
> the
> > truth.
>
>
> So if I want to believe that I can breathe water
> instead of air that will be true?
>
> I'm going out on a limb here and I'm going to
> suggest that THE Truth is that I can't do that no
> matter how much I might want to believe it.



How do you know unless you try? Please let us know how you make out OK?

Treasure, you are right in certain theories of truth, truth is considered subjective. What "The Truth" is referring to is An Absolute truth, would be something that passes every subjective test or validation on the largest scale of the world hold....2+2=4. Humans breathe air not water.....
Your point on truth being subjective defintely has value....which is why i asked the artist formally known as PF2 to define his truth for fun.... His new name has inspired me, I think I might change my name to "The Voice" .....like in that movie "Man on Fire"...Or maybe just the pie symbol, or the happy face guys that roles his eyes....what do you think? Would it go over well? Do I care....lol