Easy upgrade over Sparano. Easy.

The guy won with no QB, and we he did have a decent QB, he came within 1 foot of winning the Superbowel.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Fisher's actually my second choice after Gruden.

Hey buddy,

Why are you so high on Gruden? Just wondering..

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Fisher's my top choice right now. He actually has RECENT coaching experience. He's disciplined, and he's a former player like Shula was. I, honestly, don't like Gruden.

The only thing that bothers me.....he never really went after a 1st round QB did he? Excellent coach otherwise. But I want a Top Shelf QB.

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Hey buddy,
>
> Why are you so high on Gruden? Just wondering..


Not real sure, I know the guy comes with alot of warts, but I just think his intensity nudges him (by the slightest of margins) in front of Fisher. I'll be completely ecstatic if we land Fisher though.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> The only thing that bothers me.....he never really
> went after a 1st round QB did he? Excellent coach
> otherwise. But I want a Top Shelf QB.


You mean Vince Young?

I like Fisher, not sure what Gruden can really do. He inheirited a superbowl ready team. I like Fisher's egoless approach in not wanting control of picking the players. Leave that to the front ofice and you just coach 'em. I always like the Raven's model regarding that. Now our front office just has to pick the right players Fisher can coach.

Anybody is an upgrade over sparano.

With that said...........i hope they do not settle for fisher..........go for the home run..not the base hit.....or the base on balls better said....get .cowher or gruden.



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samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Anybody is an upgrade over sparano.
>
> With that said...........i hope they do not settle
> for fisher..........go for the home run..not the
> base hit.....or the base on balls better
> said....get .cowher or gruden.


Fisher = home run
Gruden = Ground-rule triple
Cowher = hit by the pitch

Yep! Even if Ross offered the world to Cowher and somehow convinced him to come out of retirement, he'd likely have a foot out the door like Parcells and Saban did while here...which means he wouldn't be nearly as effective as he was with Pitt.

I want someone who WANTS to coach, someone who has no other options! Gruden has options. Cowher has options. Fisher doesn't at this point.

Fisher, no thanks, boring football, I would rather have an unknown then watch Jeff Fisher football

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Fisher, no thanks, boring football, I would rather
> have an unknown then watch Jeff Fisher football


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HAHAHAHAA, this is to funny, you hypocrite. Your the one who loved Sparano.


Anyways, this is to the rest of you guys talking about him not drafting a QB....the reason is, he never drafted any players. He wasnt in control of that. He was just the Head Coach, not the GM and he didnt have control over the player/personnel decisions.

Thats what makes him different than Cowher or Gruden, they want all the control....he just wants to be the Head Coach.

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Fisher, no thanks, boring football, I would rather
> have an unknown then watch Jeff Fisher football

Give me "boring" if it means winning. If you want the run-and-shoot, then you're not going to win.

montequi Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> > The only thing that bothers me.....he never
> really
> > went after a 1st round QB did he? Excellent
> coach
> > otherwise. But I want a Top Shelf QB.
>
>
> You mean Vince Young?

I said........"Top Shelf"

I still dig Gruden first, Fisher would be cool too. Gruden just looks angry, the man wants to prove he is a winner. I bet he runs laps with the team. And he really knows his shit too. He's easily the best new comentator. You can tell he doesn't real off Cue cards.

But he says everybody is the greatest. I swear, I hear him say the word "greatest" about 50,000 times a game.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

I'd rather have Gruden too. Because he's young, energetic, driven, knowlegable and I think he'll put in the time to get the job done.

I'd also not mind it if we hired. Philbin, or Charmichael despite them never having been a head coach before.

After those three guy's I wouldn't mind Fisher.

Gruden also has an awesome pedigree.
Someone said he "inhereted" a Super Bowl team in Tampa. That's true, but you still need to manage, coach, and win games. No easy task in the NFL.
Simultaniously, he built and left a super bowl team in the Raiders, don't forget that.
Bring on CHUCKY! I love the guy!!

So, you guys like Gruden because:

- he "looks angry" (what? Saban always looks pissed. Is that why we liked him?)

- he's young (He's 4 years younger than Fisher. 48 to 53. THAT much difference?)

- he's energetic (So was Sparano...FIST PUMP!!!)

- he's knowledgeable (Really? You mean he sounds good as a commentator on TV?)

- he'll but the time in to get the job done (uhh...I hope ANY coach we hire does this. I'd think it's a requirement of the job!!)

Sorry. Fisher has actually built and rebuilt football teams and won. With one he was 2 yards from winning the Superbowl. This was a team HE built! Gruden inherited a Superbowl-caliber team, won it, and proceeded to tear them down. I don't want Gruden.



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socalphin Wrote:
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> Gruden also has an awesome pedigree.
> Someone said he "inhereted" a Super Bowl team in
> Tampa. That's true, but you still need to manage,
> coach, and win games. No easy task in the NFL.
> Simultaniously, he built and left a super bowl
> team in the Raiders, don't forget that.
> Bring on CHUCKY! I love the guy!!

Fisher built a team that was 2 yards from winning the Superbowl. That different?

The fact remains:

No coach has ever won Superbowls with more than one team!! Multiple coaches have lost a Superbowl with one team and won with another.

So, just based on that, Fisher > Gruden.

Sparano was also boring football for the most part as well, s getting Jeff Fisher, is just the same, he also has some pretty bad years under his belt at times... I just hope to hell the coach isnt Fisher, I would support Gruden, Mcdaniels and even Mangini before I would support fisher.. Fisher has his share of problems and issues, he was basicly forced off the team after the whole Vince Young Dibacle, and the owner got rid of both of them... He only won 6 games his last season... So tell me again why you want him? The only reason is because he would work Jeff Ireland, not because what is best for the organization...dont kid yourself.... Yes Sparano was a players coach, Fisher is not remotely that guy, his issues with Pacman, Haynesworth, Chris Johnson, VInce Young, just to name a few...

the bottom line if you want exciting football back in Miami, you dont hire a defensive minded coach like Jeff Fisher... End of story... If developing this next great QB that you all want and covet is the priority, guess what Fisher is not the guy to coach or develop him...lol.. Fisher is Wannstedt IMO...
Gruden is an offensive guy,he would be my first choice.

If you would support Mangini over Fisher, then I have to seriously question your knowledge of football. Seriously.

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A&O, you question whatever you want my friend... you guys want to hire a coach who had a worse record then TOny Sparano and Tony beat him when they played last year, even though he had one of the leading rushers in the league, and is a defensive coach... I just dont see it, sorry....IF you want Jeff Fisher, I must question you all as well on your football knowledge...

You guys are so upset with 7-9 last year, Jeff Fisher went 6-10 the same year, as in just last year..lol