I haven't commented on dave Wanastadt becuase he has Nothing to do with the topic. He was the person picked to run the Team 5 years after Shula and the next year after Marino retired. Lets face it, Wannastadt sucked. But had he taken the team to the next level you would be saying he did anything wrong. Ask Shula for what advice? How to make 1 great pick and not win shit for 20 yrs?

Shula was a coach back in the 60's and 70's. men were men. Football was football. Now a days its a whole new ballgame. You got players with ego's as big as thier contracts. You have Billions invested in commercials and in those same players. the rules have changed, the salary cap and free agency has made it almost a completely new game.

Shula wouldn't know jack shit about dealing with Brandon Marshall or Tom brady. He didn't have a clue in 95' and jimmy johnson sure as hell did. Wayne Hiezengia had the right sense when he moved on from coach Shula. He wanted to win and bring a new mentality to a new game for the Dolphins. Unfortunatlly for the Dolphins (and us) Jimmy had a major life altering event and left the game before completing his revamp of the Team. He was on the right track , and he had no Idea what the next decade whould do to our team. No one did.

Dan Marino knew it was time also. 62-7. He went out like Miami Ali getting punched and not knowing when to quit. All dave wannstadt did was put him out of his misery. Unfortunately the Dolphins didn't do what the Colts are about to do and place a reasonable backup behind dan marino.

They went Mediocre for several more seasons Never taking a QB higher then round 2 and missing.

Who knew? But moving on from Shula and Marino was the right thing to do. We just didn't go well from that point on.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> I haven't commented on dave Wanastadt becuase he
> has Nothing to do with the topic. He was the
> person picked to run the Team 5 years after Shula
> and the next year after Marino retired. Lets face
> it, Wannastadt sucked. But had he taken the team
> to the next level you would be saying he did
> anything wrong. Ask Shula for what advice? How to
> make 1 great pick and not win shit for 20 yrs?

This is tiresome Treasure. Your suggesting if you don't win a Superbowl then you don't win sh*t. How many coaches in the NFL in the last 20 years made the playoffs but didn't win a Superbowl? Trust me...you'd take any of them over Tony Sparano.

> Shula was a coach back in the 60's and 70's. men
> were men. Football was football. Now a days its a
> whole new ballgame. You got players with ego's as
> big as thier contracts. You have Billions invested
> in commercials and in those same players. the
> rules have changed, the salary cap and free agency
> has made it almost a completely new game.
Players had egos back then too. Csonka was an a**hole...but he respected his coach. That's all that mattered.

>
> Shula wouldn't know jack shit about dealing with
> Brandon Marshall or Tom brady. He didn't have a
> clue in 95' and jimmy johnson sure as hell did.

That's all conjecture. As for JJ having a clue...REALLY? I'll give you THIS. JJ sure THOUGHT he had a clue about how to deal with egos. That's why he drafted and signed so many guys who had criminal records or issues with their previous teams. Unfortunately for him...and us...it didn't work out. Shula would NEVER have signed Marshall. Brady, on the other hand, would have worked out fine.


> Wayne Hiezengia had the right sense when he moved
> on from coach Shula. He wanted to win and bring a
> new mentality to a new game for the Dolphins.
> Unfortunatlly for the Dolphins (and us) Jimmy had
> a major life altering event and left the game
> before completing his revamp of the Team. He was
> on the right track , and he had no Idea what the
> next decade whould do to our team. No one did.

JJ took a playoff team who had one of the top offenses in the league and made us a 3-yard-and-a-cloud-of-dust team. He made our offense much worse than it was..and we've never recovered from that.

JJ ruined our offense. Wanny just continued that trend.

You show me a coach that's been one for the same team for 25 years, and I'll show you a Hall of Fame coach who deserves to be talked about in the same sentence with Vince Lombardi. Can JJ claim that??? NO!!

montequi Wrote:
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> JJ ruined our offense. Wanny just continued that
> trend.
>
> You show me a coach that's been one for the same
> team for 25 years, and I'll show you a Hall of
> Fame coach who deserves to be talked about in the
> same sentence with Vince Lombardi. Can JJ claim
> that??? NO!!


This thread isn't about JJ. But He was a heck of a coach/talent evaluator. he was the right move at that time. Coach Shula didn't have it anymore. JJ did at that time. We still have one of his players today that will be heading to the HOF on a first ballot. Zach Thomas is my alltime favorite Dolphin after Marino. The late 90's was a good time to be a Dolphins fan. I enjoyed the new Blood and the new direction. It felt right and I was excited. Who knew JJ's parents would both pass away right after each other and make him change his life? It was just one of those things. He never coached again after leaving so you can not blame him for putting his family first.


Still waiting for other Plan "B" options if you dislike Mallet so much............

Plan B? There will be 4-5 good QBs in the draft. We need to take the best QB available with our first pick. That's it!!

montequi Wrote:
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> Plan B? There will be 4-5 good QBs in the draft.
> We need to take the best QB available with our
> first pick. That's it!!


I'm all for it. But there are 8 games left to play with a team and a coach that appear motivated to make a run at them.

I'd take mallet over Griffin any day of the week. I want a QB not a running back. But if Barkley /Jones are there definitely. What if they are not?

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> montequi Wrote:
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> > Plan B? There will be 4-5 good QBs in the
> draft.
> > We need to take the best QB available with our
> > first pick. That's it!!
>
>
> I'm all for it. But there are 8 games left to play
> with a team and a coach that appear motivated to
> make a run at them.
>
> I'd take mallet over Griffin any day of the week.
> I want a QB not a running back. But if Barkley
> /Jones are there definitely. What if they are not?

If we make drafting a franchise QB our #1 priority, then we need to be prepared to trade up. The Rams won't likely take a QB, so we may be able to offer them something to get in the top 3..or top 5 at worst.

The only way we get Luck is if he refuses to play for Indy. Otherwise, I think it's feasible to trade up for Barkley or Jones. With a good coach and GM I think we're not to far away from being a playoff team. There really aren't THAT many holes on this team. We've just played like crap this year.

guys if you don't remember much of the fan base had said in 1995 that the game had passed shula by. I had though so and I know I was not in the minority. he didn't understand the new nfl with the salary cap, etc (he got ripped off by eric green's agent, we were in terrible cap shape in 1995). this is all revisionist history b/c we've been horrible since shula left. but at the time, it seemed like replacing shula with jj who was the epitome of the "new" nfl and won titles just a few years before was the right thing to do.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> guys if you don't remember much of the fan base
> had said in 1995 that the game had passed shula
> by. I had though so and I know I was not in the
> minority. he didn't understand the new nfl with
> the salary cap, etc (he got ripped off by eric
> green's agent, we were in terrible cap shape in
> 1995). this is all revisionist history b/c we've
> been horrible since shula left. but at the time,
> it seemed like replacing shula with jj who was the
> epitome of the "new" nfl and won titles just a few
> years before was the right thing to do.

I don't refute this, but stating that Shula didn't win anything in 20 years is ridiculous.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> I haven't commented on dave Wanastadt becuase he
> has Nothing to do with the topic.

You made him part of the topic (if not the title) when you claimed that nobody disrespected Marino.

JC Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> > I haven't commented on dave Wanastadt becuase
> he
> > has Nothing to do with the topic.
>
> You made him part of the topic (if not the title)
> when you claimed that nobody disrespected Marino.


He had nothing to do with the 62-7 game loss. He just wittnesed it as we all did and came to the same conculsion we all did.......The Dolphins needed to move on. How was he disrespected? Becuase the ball was taken out of his handsand he didn't want to let go?

He was treated beyond what any player that has left the Dolphins has been treated. Streets named after him, Statues, Stadium celebrations.........How was he disrepected?

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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>.........How was he disrepected?

If you didn't read it the first time I posted, I"m not going to type it again.

Kind of difficult to read page 2 of this thread because of the spelling of "Looong" by Treasure.

Perhaps it can be edited to be shortened?

???? Not sure why but ,sure chyrene.

JC Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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>
> >.........How was he disrepected?
>
> If you didn't read it the first time I posted, I"m
> not going to type it again.



I read that I opened some sort of Door that made him a part of being disrespected. Fine then discuss it. Don't claim I did and then play games.

Thanks, Treasure.

Hell will freeze....if we do not pick a qb in the first round in 2012.

If we do not pick a qb next year i will personally internet choke the phins general manager and rest of the staff.

LOL. I agree, and I started this thread in a worst case scenario in mind. If Luck/barkley/Jones are there we need to grab one. I'm hoping the Indy Gods fall in love with Barkley over the next 6 months and leave Luck to us, but Thats just not going to happen.

When we won 1 and then 2 I just wanted to think of a worst case scenario and went on a winning streak . Miami likes to do stupid shit like that. If No High calibur draft picks were avaialable I thought this made a good Plan "B". That is all.