What would it take to get Gruden or Cowher to even consider us?

Who are GM options?

Seems it would take a whole lot of money if even that would work.m I am not sure we have had a lot of interest from the top names available

I don't want a top name I just want some guys who aren't these guys. Because these guys are clearly not any good.

It will take $$$$$$$$. Ross has it, pay up sucker

Maybe Jeff Fisher?

I don't want Jeff Fisher anywhere near this team. He's another mediocre coach who's never won anything and believes in running the ball and playing defense.

Jeff Fisher or Bill Cowher.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Gruden's problem is that his time in Tampa indicates that he makes stunningly bad personnel decisions. I also don't think he built a particularly good Raiders team... he was just a damn good offensive coach.

I'd like to see him brought in with a competent personnel department to keep him from kicking the tires on bad QBs and bringing in aging scrubs like he did in Tampa.

He's actually my #1 choice if there's some kind of check in place to make sure he doesn't turn into another Nick Saban with the personnel decisions...

Cowher...good motivator, good game manager. Don't think he's a great coach though because he had a lot of talent and his teams were slightly above average most of the time.

Fisher...like him but he's been much like Cowher.

Gruden...never thought he was a great coach. he's firey, passionate, and well liked but he too conservative.

I want an agressive, offensive minded head coach...a go for the throat every minute of the game guy. A disciplined guy that teaches, mentors, encourages, and fosters a no excuses, just win mentality.

Who that is is the question.

I'd take any of the big 3 at this point, if I was Ross I'd offer Cowher a boat load of money to come in this year as a "consultant", that way he can evaluate everyone (players/coaches/Ireland) and he can then clean house as necessary. Maybe he keeps Ireland, Nolan or Daboll, or maybe he takes out the trash.

Gruden would be okay. I think I'd prefer Brian Billick though.

My only problem with Gruden is, if you think this regime de-values the QB position, you damn sure won't like Grudens style. He treats QBs like ex girlfriends.

ghotirule Wrote:
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> (R/J)ay Wrote:
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> > I don't want Jeff Fisher anywhere near this
> team.
> > He's another mediocre coach who's never won
> > anything and believes in running the ball and
> > playing defense.
>
>
> Yea, that explains why Steve McNair was a
> perennial pro bowler with the Titans.


McNair made three pro bowls and was pretty inconsistent over his career. He had one exceptional year, and two pretty good seasons. He was exceptionally good in 2003 when he split MVP voting (with manning I think?) but you certainly not a perennial pro bowler. He was downright bad in 2004 after that, admittedly only playing half the season.

No Fisher he went as far as McNair took him

No Billick - a stubborn idiot ask anyone in the Bmore will tell you

Gruden maybe

Tony Dungy would be my first choice

so fisher gruder or cowher...........I would take cowher over sparano in a sec....


i just want a change asap...Next year cant get here soon enough.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> so fisher gruder or cowher...........I would take
> cowher over sparano in a sec....
>
I'd take almost anyone over Sparano at this point.

ghotirule Wrote:
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> Ken Wrote:
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> >
> > Gruden...never thought he was a great coach.
> he's
> > firey, passionate, and well liked but he too
> > conservative.
>
> No, WRONG!
>
> His Raider team had one of the best offenses in
> the NFL for a few years. His SB Tampa team had a
> top ten offense with a crap QB.
>
> I think Gruden would be a great coach for us. He
> knows how to build a team, and he's won wherever
> he's gone.


RE: Except that Tampa got worse every year he was there...I don't trust a coach the has that happen when he's supposed to be great.

I'm not saying that he'd be a bad choice...just that he'd have a lot to prove and very, very, time to do it.

Also, all of these guys will want to be coach AND GM...I'm sorry, but that rarely works out. Not many people can do both jobs well at the same time. I'd rather have two quality people over just one, JMO.

That said though, I think we may not have the luxury of doing that anymore.

Ken Wrote:
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> Also, all of these guys will want to be coach AND
> GM...I'm sorry, but that rarely works out. Not
> many people can do both jobs well at the same
> time. I'd rather have two quality people over just
> one, JMO.
>
> That said though, I think we may not have the
> luxury of doing that anymore.

I know what you mean. I never liked the idea of a coach having complete control. I don't think that works at all on the NFL anymore.

The real question is after we get Gruden or Cowher and lose our first game then who do we want?

The other guy

sleekdogg Wrote:
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> The real question is after we get Gruden or Cowher
> and lose our first game then who do we want?


as Montequi said--the other guy, then it becomes a contest of who can make the most "I TOLD you we should have hired (other guy's name) instead" posts.

This will shortly be followed by another contest of who can start the most "let's tank the remaining 15 games of the season so we can draft (most popular college QB's name)" threads.