These NFL players should be hired to do construction work for just a month and be paid 9.50 an hour 12 hours a day and see how they like it.

NFL players have it too good.

But you know like they say.....You dont know what you had until you lost it. Or lost everything.


They work 6 month out of the year get like 4 month vacation get paid million and are still complaining.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan (TackNWhine) Wrote:
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ChyrenB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hey, both sides are trying to get as much as
> they
> > can get. The players are trying to get as much
> as
> > they can in salary and the owners are trying to
> > get as much as they can in bottom line profits.
> >
> > There are no heroes. And since there are no
> > heroes, there can be no villains.
> >
> > One thing is for sure, the real likely losers
> will
> > be those who pay ticket prices to see the
> product.
>
(TackNWhine) Wrote:

> Maybe the first intelligent thing you ever said
> here.

RESPONSE: I must have overlooked this. You can't even agree with someone without insulting them at the same time.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/06/2011 09:28AM by ChyrenB.

My bad. Eventually, when one does nothing but posts attacks, you eventually get sucked in to responding. The post to which I responded is a perfect example, as can be seen.

Lets get this deal done NOW boys. I'm sick of baseball ALREADY (and that's only PARTLY because the Sox have a perfect record..perfectly sucky).

The judge has already hinted at sending them to arbitration and I can't believe I'm saying this (as I"m no drafnik) but I can't wait to be talking about the draft instead of the lockout/decertifying BS.

so bc you have a crap job with no leverage the players have to get screwed over. sorry to break it to you but you are fungible. they could get someone else to do your job. you can't grab someone else off the street to fill payton manning's job. sorry this is the truth. and everyone who wants to compare themselves to these guys needs to wake up and think a little harder.

Also, I'm pretty sure in your job treasurecoast, you're not the worker AND the product being sold. The sooner everyone stops comparing their job to pro football players the better.

Very True. , while I don't believe I'm that replacable......(hey I have Pride!) I still think my argument holds merit. While Peyton Manning is a great QB, probably the best today, there is a limit to his value. And the whole team is not made up of Peyton Mannings. Plenty of chain mover guys would much smaller salaries.

I am a small guy who feels very lucky to be employed during what is probably the greatest economic crisis this country has seen in almost a century. You have Cops, firemen, and teachers being stripped of bargaining rights and told to take huge pay cuts and layoffs. You have the federal goverment on the verge of shutting down. And these Mother Fers want to complain about taking part of a Billion $$ share? NOW is not the time to pull this crap. Sign a 3 year deal and revisit it in 2014.

These Players are Greedy. End of story. the employer has the right , as did mine, to reach back into my pocket and take back a little during these times. I didn't complain when I got raises steadily throught out the last decade. This is the reality of the situation. the statdiums and the morgage on it is not worth what is was 3 yrs ago just like my home and my bosses home.

This is not the time for this shit. Plain and simple. Roll up your sleeves like the rest of us.....you know the ones that pay for tickets , merchadise, and cable packages.

Treasure, the owners entered into a revenue sharing agreement with the players, if they're having a hard time making it then open up the books and proove it. Simple. They made 9 billion in revenue last year, they take 1 billion off the top before the 58/42% split......ONE BILLION! Highly doubt they're struggling.

Also if I thought for a minute that they'd roll back ticket prices 10 years, i'd be right there with ya, contrary to crowders beliefs, that's never happening.

The players have offered to a 50/50 split and a bump up on the 1 bil off the top (phinsfan has a better understanding of the numbers then me), sounds fair to me, sign the deal and revisit it in 2014.

I never made the argument that they're Billionaires, my argument is that they signed into a revenue sharing agreement with the players in 2006, honor it or prove you're losing money.

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> Also, I guess asking people to at least try and
> tell the truth when making their arguments is a
> little bit stupid of me huh? The players are not
> complaining samsam, the owners are. The players
> were happy to play under the sweet-heart deal that
> BOTH sides agreed to in 2006, the owners opted out
> of that deal in 2008 not the players. I don't
> understand why people can't comprehend that fact?

Just tell the players to agree with the owners and move on.

Anyway you put it the players are still gonna get paid 10 times more than a doctor who saves lives and job is 1000 times more important than a football player.

NFL players got it too good.

And about the 2 a day practices. Come on they are pro athletes....And how many hours do they work in the 2 practices..6 -7 hours a day?
Please. They still got it too good.

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
are still
> > complaining.
>


And about the still complaining part...I dont know adrian peterson seemed to be complaining to me.

I don't understand why people who are more like the players than owners (in terms of privilege, income, being an "employee" and not an "employer" side so strongly with the owners. you feel your boss has the right to do whatever the hell he wants because he's your boss? Part of it I think is jealousy--in that people are jealous that someone lucked into god-given athetic ability and get to live the life everyones dreamed of. We'd all like to trade places with the players if given the opportunity and we would do it for less money (which is still way more money than most of us make).
I am not saying the players are right and the owners are wrong---both seem to be a little of both. But the majority of people here seem take a strong pro-owner attitude which seems kind of odd

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> I don't understand why people who are more like
> the players than owners (in terms of privilege,
> income, being an "employee" and not an "employer"
> side so strongly with the owners. you feel your
> boss has the right to do whatever the hell he
> wants because he's your boss? Part of it I think
> is jealousy--in that people are jealous that
> someone lucked into god-given athetic ability and
> get to live the life everyones dreamed of. We'd
> all like to trade places with the players if given
> the opportunity and we would do it for less money
> (which is still way more money than most of us
> make).
> I am not saying the players are right and the
> owners are wrong---both seem to be a little of
> both. But the majority of people here seem take a
> strong pro-owner attitude which seems kind of odd

This has been puzzling me for months now also.

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't understand why people who are more like
> > the players than owners (in terms of privilege,
> > income, being an "employee" and not an
> "employer"
> > side so strongly with the owners. you feel your
> > boss has the right to do whatever the hell he
> > wants because he's your boss? Part of it I
> think
> > is jealousy--in that people are jealous that
> > someone lucked into god-given athetic ability
> and
> > get to live the life everyones dreamed of. We'd
> > all like to trade places with the players if
> given
> > the opportunity and we would do it for less
> money
> > (which is still way more money than most of us
> > make).
> > I am not saying the players are right and the
> > owners are wrong---both seem to be a little of
> > both. But the majority of people here seem take
> a
> > strong pro-owner attitude which seems kind of
> odd
>
> This has been puzzling me for months now also.



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Thats why I exited this debate about a month ago, I could just tell some people were not gonna get the big picture.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Phinsfan2 Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> >
> > Thats just it. Just as I wrote a few posts ago,
> > You can't use the argument , that they are
> > Billioniares as an argument. Their money is
> their
> > money. Period, having more or less shouldn't
> > change the core principal of the argument.
>
>
> So the owners money is the owners money, but the
> players money isn't theirs? the owners have "the
> right...to reach back into my pocket and take back
> a little during these times."????
>
> That's an interesting world view, to say the
> least.
>
>
> > Is that
> > the Players argument? You make too much , so
> you
> > need to share more? Sorry. When I look at the
> > make up of players in the NFL I see very spoiled
> ,
> > very entitled , very greedy people. They are
> > backed by even more greedy Agents . This is the
> > wrong time to be pulling this shit. Its that
> > simple.
>
> Pulling what shit? The players were more than
> happy to leave things the way they were (record
> revenues for ANY professional sport). they even
> offered to take a 14.5% pay cut once THE OWNERS
> voided the old deal.
>
> Just how much do you want them to give back before
> you no longer consider them greedy?
>
>
> > You can agree to disagree. If the players
> > have a stance , this is the wrong time to make
> it.
> > While the Federal Gov't shuts down, and people
> > have nothing to do this summer and fall, they
> > could have bucked up and signed a 2-3 yr deal
> to
> > be revisited.
>
>
> Bullpucky.
>
>
> The OWNERS wouldn't agree to a 2-3 year deal to be
> revisited. the players can't do this on their
> own. It takes two to tango.
>
> If your poor, misunderstood owners had wanted a
> deal like that they never would have voided that
> original deal.
>
>
> > Poor players could suffer through
> > their millioniare contracts and maybe ,
> godforbid
> > tighten their belts a little bit. No Sympathy
> here
> > for them.
>
> Again, their first offer was a 14.5% PAY CUT.
> That is what they offered to GIVE BACK to the
> owners... 14.5% of their salaries as they existed
> under the old CBA. That wasn't enough for the
> owners, nor was it apparently enough for you.
>
>
> Just how much is? What so the players need to
> give back in a deal to prove they are good
> Americans who care about the recession and how it
> affects their customers?


Thank you for intelligently giving me your responses unlike that "other poster" that Just can't make a point without including a Personal attack.Thank you for acknowleging that and calling him out for inflamatory remarks. 'm afraid he may be due another one or possibily more though.

You make some really good points that I didn't know existed.

I know the Owners went back before the lockout went official to try and concede some issues , But isn't it true that the Owners addmitted they gave too much back in 2006 ? But they wanted to avoid a lockout so they gave in? Times have changed since then. Whole banks have collasped. Owners have Lost Billions. Open the books? This isn't a public office. Maybe the packers are, but why should an owner have to show anything to run his buisness? Just because your a Billioniare you lose your rights and deserve to get extorted?

Treasurcoast, the 1 thing you and most others keep forgetting is that the owners entered into a "Revenue Sharing" agreement with the players, it'd be different if that was never the case, but it's not.

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> Treasurcoast, the 1 thing you and most others keep
> forgetting is that the owners entered into a
> "Revenue Sharing" agreement with the players, it'd
> be different if that was never the case, but it's
> not.

Which, in turn, proves the pertinency of my point above that "The response of the players seems to be, 'You want me to give MORE back than even, I'm offering? Then show me your books.' This says in essence, 'I don't trust that the money is really going to something that in the long run will benefit us all. I think the money is just going into your pockets and if that is true, then why should money come from my pocket and go into yours?'"

Or, as PhinFans2, put it "You are asking the players to give back more money than they have already offered to give back. Isn't it absurd to think you can do that without proving to them that you need this, not that you just want it?"



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/07/2011 04:01PM by ChyrenB.

The owners are rich and the players are rich. Good, who cares.......I just wish they would stop bytching about it and just play football and give us fans a show.

Some people do not have many diversions of hobbies and football is one of the the few things they enjoy.

Sundays are very enjoyable when there is football....It would be a shame to be without football for a year.

Phinsfan2 Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > I know the Owners went back before the lockout
> > went official to try and concede some issues ,
> But
> > isn't it true that the Owners addmitted they
> gave
> > too much back in 2006 ? But they wanted to avoid
> a
> > lockout so they gave in? Times have changed
> since
> > then. Whole banks have collasped. Owners have
> Lost
> > Billions.
>
> You can't have it both ways. You've argued
> before that how much the owners make in other
> businesses has nothing to do with what's a fair
> deal for the NFLPA, and you were right about
> that.
>
> You can't now argue that their net worth's have
> suffered due to the economy so its OK to want to
> put the screws to labor in the NFL. Unless of
> course you are arguing that the NFL owners have
> such a bad deal that they are losing "billions"
> running their teams.
>
> If that's the case then I'd say that since the NFL
> is the most profitable sports league int he world,
> you are probably way off base in that assertion.
> But I'd also give you the opportunity to prove
> your case.
>
> So if I'm the NFLPA I'm not against cutting a deal
> that favors the owners more than the last one but
> I'm not buying the "we're broke" argument until
> you prove it.
>
> How is that not fair?
>
>
>
> > Open the books? This isn't a public
> > office. Maybe the packers are, but why should
> an
> > owner have to show anything to run his
> buisness?
> > Just because your a Billioniare you lose your
> > rights and deserve to get extorted?
>
> Its not extortion. Its a business deal.
>
> If I own a business and I want a line of credit, a
> mortgage or a loan you can be damn sure I have to
> show audited financials to my bank to get it.
>
> You are asking the players to give back more money
> than they have already offered to give back.
> Isn't it absurd to think you can do that without
> proving to them that you need this, not that you
> just want it?




Your right that sounds very fair. But thats not the way it was presented IMO. Basically they are telling them, this is a buisness. This is what I'm willing to pay as an employer. If you do not wish to take that then there is the door. The Owners are asking for anything , they are simly offering less. Thats my take on it anyway , but you did raise some points that i didn't catch before. The Owners NEVER should have Voided the old contract during these times. Leave it be. While I believe they are within their rights , they are the ones that got this ball rolling aren't they? Good point made.

treasurecoast, this may be the first time in the history of the board someone changed their mind based on valid points raised by others!!!

congrats, you win the prize...

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> treasurecoast, this may be the first time in the
> history of the board someone changed their mind
> based on valid points raised by others!!!
>
> congrats, you win the prize...


Could Crowder be next?

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> treasurecoast, this may be the first time in the
> history of the board someone changed their mind
> based on valid points raised by others!!!
>
> congrats, you win the prize...




Seriously......if a good points made I'm gonna tell you, good on ya.

I guess it depends what your agenda here is, I just really Love the Miami Dolphins and HATE the fing Jets. I love to discuss them and if you say something that makes a ton of sense, I'll say so.