Gregg Camarillo traded to the Minnesota Vikings. Miami got CB Benny Sapp in return


Tells me the team is keeping Marlon Moore and Patrick Turner. Wallace to practice squad. This tells me the Fins have serious questions about Will Allen as Sapp is a true nickle CB. Also tells me Nolan Carroll getting toasted by the Jags won't play much CB at all this year. And it might mean its the end of Jason Allen in Miami.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/25/2010 08:18AM by MikeO.

Armando for the Miami Herald reporting Patrick Turner is the new #4 WR. He took 2nd team reps today with Bess.

Moore and Wallace are still fighting for the 5th WR spot. How they don't take Moore is beyond me.

This is a very good trade.

I think we keep 6 WRs this year, that means Wallace, Moore, and Turner all make the 53. Also, I think Jason Allen will remain on the team because he can play STs and backup any DB position.

Agree that it means Will Allen's recovery is not going well.

We won't keep 6 WR's because we will never play 6 WR's. Wasted roster spot. We can hide Wallace on the practice squad easily.

Everyone send thank you cards for Sidney Rice and Percy Harvin because if not for those two we wouldn't be in this situation.

I don't know anything about Sapp but if he can play at all this is a good trade. Camarillo's skills are too duplicative of Bess' and we didn't really need another sure-handed slow guy. We do, however, need CBs in the big way if allen can't come back soon, and the same.

MikeO Wrote:
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> Armando for the Miami Herald reporting Patrick
> Turner is the new #4 WR. He took 2nd team reps
> today with Bess.
>
> Moore and Wallace are still fighting for the 5th
> WR spot. How they don't take Moore is beyond me.

We just keep 6 WRs on the 53 man roster.

Wallace is big and fast. I just don't see him lasting long on the PS.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> I don't know anything about Sapp but if he can
> play at all this is a good trade. Camarillo's
> skills are too duplicative of Bess' and we didn't
> really need another sure-handed slow guy. We do,
> however, need CBs in the big way if allen can't
> come back soon, and the same.


Sapp was one of the guys HARD KNOCKS keyed in on when they did it with KC a few years back. In 2008 he played a lot for Minny. Was their nickle back after an injury. In 2009 Sapp started some. Just this past offseason Minny gave him a 2 year extension.

Put it this way, Sapp is the 4th best CB on our roster. If Will Allen is seriously out for a while, he is our 3rd best CB now!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/25/2010 08:38AM by MikeO.

the next big hole to fill which I think can and will be filled with a low level type move like this one is for a KR or PR. I gotta think there are some teams who would move their KR for a 5th (ha!) or 6th rounder. as long as that guy could play some other position (DB or WR or R I think he's got a spot on the team. Our return game is pathetic and I don't see Carroll as an upgrade.

MikeO Wrote:
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>
>
> Sapp was one of the guys HARD KNOCKS keyed in on
> when they did it with KC a few years back. In 2008
> he played a lot for Minny. Was their nickle back
> after an injury. In 2009 Sapp did nothing. Just
> this past offseason Minny gave him a 2 year
> extension.
>
> Put it this way, Sapp is the 4th best CB on our
> roster. If Will Allen is seriously out for a
> while, he is our 3rd best CB now!

Yup. Don't see him challenging for a starting spot, but without Sapp we would be going into the season with 2 two CBs and a rookie Nickle. I could see us losing a lot of third and longs in that scenario. At least now our Nickle package is respectable. Not great, but respectable.

Very good trade.

dolphan4545 Wrote:
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> PFT says "he's been mediocre as a nickel and dime
> back the past few seasons"

That may answer your question. PFT is not a good source for player evaluation.

Doesn't say that at all on the PFT site.

I hope you're right.

Rick

Phinsfan2 Wrote:
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>
> I think Wallace can still take his job over the
> next two weeks, but Keeping Turner and adding
> Wallace to the practice squad makes sense. My
> only concern there is that San Diego showed a lot
> of interest in signing him as a UFA, and if they
> trade Vincent Jackson, I wouldn't be surprised to
> see the sign him off our practice squad.
>

If I were to wager, I say we are keeping 6 WRs this year and only will only carry 8 LBs.

I knew it hehe...
I said he could be traded and nailed it@!!!

Yeah, we got the BS end of the deal.

Im only excited, because now we have the ability to develop other wr's that have more speed.

I wish we got a draft pick, because this CB I feel isnt any better than what we got.

Regarding Sapp I'm taking the coaches & front office are better judges than me view. I do not see him as an upgrade over J. Allan. I can only see them wanting a veteran ove Carrol who has showed that, while he is talented he may not be ready for immediate PT.

Minnesota got gold we got beans so far on this one

dolphan4545 Wrote:
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> Now it says, "He doesn't offer much
> more than experience and depth for a young
> Dolphins secondary".

Hard to see what Camarillo offered beyond "experience and depth" at the WR position.

He was clearly the 4th best WR on the team, and at least one of our rookie WRs could have overtaken the #4 WR spot by the end of the season.

Sapp last year was playing very well as the Vikings NICKLE CB. When they had an injury and he was forced to start, he struggled.

Play him in the nickle, the role built for him, he is a better than average player. Ask him to do MORE than he can, and well don't be shocked when he fails.

Yes but we have better talent at WR to take up the slack, while this Sapp guy doesn't appear to upgrade us at all.

Rick

I'm hearing "mediocre" nickel.

Rick

DolfanMike Wrote:
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> dolphan4545 Wrote:
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> > Now it says, "He doesn't offer much
> > more than experience and depth for a young
> > Dolphins secondary".
>
> Hard to see what Camarillo offered beyond
> "experience and depth" at the WR position.
>
> He was clearly the 4th best WR on the team, and at
> least one of our rookie WRs could have overtaken
> the #4 WR spot by the end of the season.


Exactly, and wasn't even the 4th WR anymore. Look Camarillo has never been the same since his knee injury. He is a slow WR which in this league doesn't mix. He has played well for Miami because, we haven't had anyone else.

Last year this time our WR's were Ginn, Camarillo, Bess. Ginn is horrible and Camarillo is getting beat out by 2 undrafted guys in camp. Camarillo only "looked good" because he was on the one team that had zero depth and quality at WR.

That changed this offseason and a lower level WR like Camarillo is gone!