And I didnt "proclaim" that Best wasnt going in the first round because of certain mock drafts. I could honestly give two-$hat$ about those things. I listen to the real deal experts.....Mike Mayock. He is the best by far.

Dont bash on me because I stick with the most repsected guy in the bus, phinsfan. Send your complaints to him.

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gotcha there

DaytonaDolfan13 Wrote:
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> I like EARL THOMAS. But FS is NOT the biggest
> need.

thats why i added two ILB's and a NT thru FA and a WR in the draft. Far fetched scenario but wth. Its early.

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eesti Wrote:
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> DaytonaDolfan13 Wrote:
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> > I like EARL THOMAS. But FS is NOT the biggest
> > need.
>
> thats why i added two ILB's and a NT thru FA

Well, Reggie Torbor was a FA that was projected to start, but that never worked out. I'm not really sold on FA ILBs. The good ones won't be available. In fact, the same applies to NTs. The good ones won't be FAs.

I told you all about ROLLE.

DaytonaDolfan13 Wrote:
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> I told you all about ROLLE.


I agree! Imagine this:

1. McClain
2. Spikes
3. Rolle

Plug those guys into a defense with Davis, Smith, Wake, Langford, and Merling and you have a solid core of young players to build a defense for years! Add in the vets of Starks, JT, and Will Allen, and we could have a really good D next year.

montequi Wrote:
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> eesti Wrote:
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> > DaytonaDolfan13 Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > I like EARL THOMAS. But FS is NOT the
> biggest
> > > need.
> >
> > thats why i added two ILB's and a NT thru FA
>
> Well, Reggie Torbor was a FA that was projected to
> start, but that never worked out.

Are you really gonna compare Torbor to DeMeco Ryans and Karlos Dansby? Reggie was a backup who never cracked the starting lineup unless there was an inury so PROJECTED is right. He never played in more than 9 games in a season which he did once. The two I mentioned are PROVEN Pro Bowlers. Again...its all speculation that it could even happen but I'd say ILB's successful transition is a safer bet than WR or QB.

I'm not really
> sold on FA ILBs. The good ones won't be
> available.

If that was the case Jonathon Vilma would still be in NY....and do u really think many players would turn down more money if their team is low balling them like the Cards always do? and being available isn't a problem if u get traded.

In fact, the same applies to NTs. The
> good ones won't be FAs.

Nobody thought the Pats would deal Richard Seymour either....or Ty Law or Lawyer Milloy or Asante Samuel. We got Fergy for a lousy 6th rounder. Shaun Rogers is another.

The Pats drafted Ron Brace in the 2nd round last year. Why do u think they did that if they hadn't thought about letting Wilfork walk? They could even take another one this year with one of their two 2nd round picks....or first rounder. They don't like to pay big money unless its to Tom Brady.

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eesti Wrote:
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> In fact, the same applies to NTs. The
> > good ones won't be FAs.
>
> Nobody thought the Pats would deal Richard Seymour
> either....or Ty Law or Lawyer Milloy or Asante
> Samuel. We got Fergy for a lousy 6th rounder.
> Shaun Rogers is another.
>

That's a trade, not Free Agency (which is what you mentioned earlier).

> The Pats drafted Ron Brace in the 2nd round last
> year. Why do u think they did that if they hadn't
> thought about letting Wilfork walk? They could
> even take another one this year with one of their
> two 2nd round picks....or first rounder. They
> don't like to pay big money unless its to Tom
> Brady.

You don't think the Pats will at least try a trade with Wilfork? Why just cut him?

because he is an UFA no matter about CBA. 6 years experience.

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Wilfork a PHIN would be cool.

From what I have been reading, Rolle is projected to be a SS so he may not really be an option. We already have too many of those.

How about this scenario....

Dez White and Rolando McClain are both gone by 12.

One of the top two QB's drop to us at 12 b/c Seattle and Pete Carrol make a trade for Matt Leinart (3rd rounder) and Arizona trades Anquan Boldin and their #26 and #58 pick for Miami's #12 and Joey Porter.

Michael Vick goes to Buffalo and AZ gets Bradford or Clausen since Warner retired.

All of the top tier talent may be gone by 12 and we get to drop down and get some value.

#26 Earl Thomas
#43 Brandon Graham
#58 Daryl Washington

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Could we trade down in the 1st, get an additional 2nd or 3rd, and still pick up Spikes?

How about this scenario....

Dez White and Rolando McClain are both gone by 12.-----------

then we should DRAFT CJ SPILLER

and ignore our Swiss cheese defense and lack of WR's?

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We'll have plenty of picks left to go DEFENSE.

eesti Wrote:
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> because he is an UFA no matter about CBA. 6 years
> experience.


Not if they put the franchise tag him, which is expected to happen as early as this week.

Jim B Wrote:
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> > eesti Wrote:
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> > How about this scenario....
> >
> > Dez White and Rolando McClain are both gone by
> > 12...
>
>
> I think that part is a real posibility. However,
> I would hate to see us trade down too far and not
> get our targeted player.
>
> It very much looks like Graham has helped his
> stock with his performance at the Senior bowl. He
> very well may be a top 25 pick at this juncture.
> Jerry Hughes may be an option for us in the 2nd
> round.
>
> Plan B in the first round could be someone like
> Jason Pierre-Paul or another pass rusher.

Very true.

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Say what you want to say, Phinsfan, but I believe for our team, #12 is to high to pick Thomas. NOT BERRY...but Thomas.

I don't think there is a huge drop off from Thomas to the next best set of FS's.

I do believe there is a HUGE drop off from Berry to Thomas and the rest of the guys though.

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MORGAN BURNETT is goood
NATE ALLEN is real good

Either should be 2nd round options, maybe BURNETT sneaks to 3rd.
MYRON ROLLE should be anoption as well.

I wonder if the FO is looking at Ryan Picket. He did a good job for GB last year in his first year as a 3-4 NT. He is 6'2 340lbs and 30 years old. He's 2 yrs younger than Hampton and will come cheaper without the baggage. We could then add a NT in the later rounds to develop.

There are absolutely no OLB's or ILB's worth signing as FA's this year so we will have to add them thru the draft.

So maybe we take a run at Pickett who is from Zephyrhills FL (about 30 miles from me) and Antonio Bryant.

Then we can go after one of these guys in the first round...taking the top ranked available.

Round 1

Player (ranking by Scouts Inc)
Eric Berry 3
Jason Pierre-Paul 5
Dez White 10
Rolando Mclain 12
Earl Thomas 15

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Jason Pierre-Paul is a atheletic superfreak. I could see him coming off the board before our choice.