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I have had the sunday ticket for years. It is the second greatest example of Congress selling out the public. Congress granted the NFL a monopoly. Fine. But how does Congress then let the NFL turn around and grant a monopoly of its own to DirecTV to exclusively broadcast its games? The Sunday Ticket costs approximately $160.
The first greatest example is the forced conversion to Digital TV. I remember the first days of analog TV in the early fifties. I remember the days of having to adjust the rabbit ears. Those days were nothing like today. The digital signal is a WEAK signal. Just think, now there is no such thing as TV radios because the signal is digital. Moreover, all those RVs with TVs inside can forget it because you can't move while receiving a digital signal. In my history of life, I have never seen technology move from a better system to a worst, here fro a strong signal (analog) to a weak signal (digital). The reason why is that Congress was paid off by the cable and sattelite companies and that (like Obama's health plan) nobody is thinking 2 steps ahead. Here, the 2 steps ahead is that the trick was to force everybody (eventually) into buying cable or sattelite. They kept saying that the digital picture is far superior. Yeah, when you can get it. You just can't have a regular TV anymore without cable or sattelite and walk with it like you used to do with the little palm sized TVs. WE WERE SOLD OUT!
While this isn't anti-trust stuff, I just found out a few days ago that to see the games in HD, you have to subscribe to their super fan package for another $100.
I bought an HD tv, leased (from DirecTV) an HD receiver/DVR, pay the $10/mo for HD, and pay for the Sunday Ticket...I thought I was set.
With all civility, I called DTV and basically told them that it was a very disappointing discovery and that I felt they should give me SuperFan. Long story short, as a retention offer, they did give it to me for free for this year. No idea about next year, but I am prepared to leave them altogether for cable and just spend several afternoons at a local watering hole for HD broadcasts. This season, only 12 games are not national broadcasts (HD, no need for Sunday Ticket)...perhaps even fewer with flex scheduling toward the end.
Hey comcast cheaper better internet, and one day will have sunday ticket, and in the mean time, i just go to a sports bar on game day, or go to Justin.tv.net
1)For the guy who called up and complained about having to pay $100 for SuperFan, do that every year and you won't have to pay for it ever. DIRECTV's customer service is 2nd to none. They are very good about this stuff. If you call and complain about anything, esentially you get freebies.
2) DIRECTV does not have exclusive rights for NFL games. NFL games air on FOX, CBS, NBC, and ESPN. DIRECTV just airs those channles. The Sunday Ticket comes up for BID with every TV contract and DIRECTV bids more than cable. So they win. Your argument is weak. An example would be if like ABC was crying that they don't have the Super Bowl this year on their network. Well did you pay the most money or offer the highest bid to carry the game? NO!! So why would they be surprised they don't have the game and can't complain and have no leg to stand on. The Sunday Ticket is an entity and DIRECTV pays the most to get it.
Only 13% of the country or so has Directv. So the Sunday Ticket isn't as big as people think. The NFL will NEVER EVER NEVER EVER let the Sunday Ticket be on cable. Cause FOX and CBS who pay a ton of money for these games on Sunday's then lose their entire affilate local audience as nobody would watch the games on CBS. And most would pay for Sunday Ticket and watch national feeds. IT would kill the FOX and CBS deals. That is the REAL reason why the Sunday Ticket will NEVER be on cable. Combine that and with DIRECTV paying more money and its an easy call for the NFL.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/11/2009 03:38PM by MikeO.
never said that at all dont twist my words. I stated the NFL doesn't care since DIRECTV is in the homes of so few people. Cable TV is what the vast majority of the country has and would have a HUGE effect on their FOX and CBS deals. Add 15 mill people is nothing when there are 300+ mill in the country.
ChyrenB Wrote:
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> I have had the sunday ticket for years. It is the
> second greatest example of Congress selling out
> the public. Congress granted the NFL a monopoly.
> Fine. But how does Congress then let the NFL turn
> around and grant a monopoly of its own to DirecTV
> to exclusively broadcast its games? The Sunday
> Ticket costs approximately $160.
How are you getting Sunday ticket for $160!? I am paying $269 and I don't have the superfan package. I haven't paid $160 Sunday ticket in about 10 years. It's been $200 plus for a while for atleast me.
To Dgoodhue, that is the price I am paying per year for the Sunday ticket alone. That is on top of my regular fee for DirecTV.
To MikeO, of course, CBS and Fox broadcast their regular games regionally. But that's not what we're talking about. What we're talking about is the ability of fans to see all of the games (except for local blackout restrictions).
However, your argument is really circular when you think carefully about it. All you are saying is that DirecTV is granting a monopoly on the basis of the highest bidder. But it's the fact that they are granting a monopoly that is the issue and not whether they are an "Equal Opportunity" Seller in granting that monopoly.
I criticized the fact that the NFL is granting A MONOPOLY, which they SHOULD NOT BE DOING BECAUSE CONGRESS granted the NFL a "monopoly" itself and thus an exemption from Anti-Trust laws.
Since the NFL was granted that monopoly (presumably for the public good like all Congressional legislation is supposed to be grounded in), then it follows that the NFL should exercise its power in that monopoly in the interests of the public good.
Therefore, since the NFL is granting a monopoly of its own to DirecTV so that DirecTV can therefore "stick to the consumer," that is what they are doing wrong. I never said that the NFL was being unfair about HOW they granted the monopoly but that they should not have been allowed to grant a monopoly at all.
Now, MikeO, to break it down for you to the last detail. The NFL should establish a going rate for allowing broadcast of their outside regional games and allow it to go to many different sattelite organizations (like DISH as well) and to Cable as well.
Then, dovetailing the inquiry back to dgoodhue, the marketplace competition as to not only the Sunday ticket but as to movies, other sports, EVEN DSL AND OTHER FEATURES etc can go to the organization that can put forth the best package for the cheapest price.
Right now, I can't take advantage of Verizon's bundles because it can't come with the Sunday Ticket.
MikeO, you are thinking like a businessman and I am thinking like a consumer.
DTV is not exempt from the anti-trust laws. in fact they were recently sued for anti-trust violations and as a result you now can pay (albeit at a ridculous rate) to get ONE game on DTV without paying for the whole season. I know I was part of that class (as we you if you had sunday ticket about 5 years ago) and got a 20% off NFL merchandise coupon (up to $100) for my settlement! what a joke.
also, how can you say you can't get DTV when you are in motion? doesn't Jet Blue have it in their airplanes?
I think that the redzone is a slap in the face. Why cant i just puschase cbs 4 channel for cable, so i dont miss a game? Phins fan, i beg to differ, about the bar thing. One, we have like 4 prime time games this year, you can watch at home, so take 12 games in a bar. I order a water free, a meal usualy around 6 to 8 bucks, maybe a beer, around 2 bucks, and a 2 dollar tip. So for the sake of argument, its a 8 min drive to the sports bar, "also have a golf corse club house 250 yards away", so gas to bar, would be 2 gal Most there and back, more like a little over a gal, so lets sy 3.00 in gas, so lets say 15 dollars in all to watch my team times 12. 180 dollars, to watch my game with fello fans, eat better than what i am eating at home watching game, which you also need to factor that cost in, for the regular season, and playoff's are always shown at home. Now if i went to the club house, it would be about 50 bucks cheaper. So i have to dissagree about your cost. Your getting ripped off, every year they raise that bs, yeah you get to watch your team, but its just not cost effective, maybe in the winter up there when your snowed in, but even then i imagine you get to watch them play the jets, on cbs, and you got Jusin.tv.net, for free. So where you live you should be able to watch 6 games at home with NFL network, 2 on cbs, 2 on monday night, one on sunday night, and one on thrusday night. so your paying how much for 10 games, plus food, and i hope you got a 60 inch screen for viewing pleasures, like at a bar, where i can look around at Many a game. so 350 dollars this year for 10 games, plus food to eat, and beer to drink,your looking at around 500 dollars, to watch 16 games, versus around 200 to 250 including food at home, which i would consume. So if you wouldnt order sunday ticket you wold save money, and tell them its too expensive, eventualy over time, more and more would say that, untill they stop ripping everyone off, problem is that you and the rest of the people who purchase it dont complain about it, untill it effects your personal life, give it another 5 years of raising cost, it eventualy will, then maybe they finaly cut the cost.
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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> DTV is not exempt from the anti-trust laws. in
> fact they were recently sued for anti-trust
> violations and as a result you now can pay (albeit
> at a ridculous rate) to get ONE game on DTV
> without paying for the whole season. I know I was
> part of that class (as we you if you had sunday
> ticket about 5 years ago) and got a 20% off NFL
> merchandise coupon (up to $100) for my settlement!
> what a joke.
>
> also, how can you say you can't get DTV when you
> are in motion? doesn't Jet Blue have it in their
> airplanes?
RESPONSE: You're misreading both, Berk. I said that the NFL is exempt from Anti-trust laws, not DirecTV.
Secondly, I said that you can't get a digital TV signal while in a car, not DirecTV. I will now read the posts below yours.
Dam I am paying almost $300.00 for sunday ticket. This is crap! They do have great service after my game today I will call them up. One guy is getting it for free another for $169 I am getting robbed
Yeah you are, you need to switch to cable, and just go to a sports bar, order a water,and a meal, and you will save money throughout the year, you also are going to be able to see 4 Miami games in prime time this year. So 300 bucks for 12 games is a rip off.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/13/2009 05:17AM by MiamiThunder.