Poll

What would you give up for Brandon Marshal to be a Fin?

Only registered users are allowed to vote for this poll.
20 votes were received.

Number 1 plus a mid round pick	1		5%
Number 1 only	2		10%
Number two	3		15%
Don't need or want him	12		60%
Wait a year to see how our rookies turn out & then draft or trade for WR	2		10%

---

A lot of noise about how denver and he are stuck, need someone to save face blah blah ...

If Miami were to take Brandon marshall What would be a fair price.

Though I hate to give up future picks, I feel like we need a game breaker.

Thoughts?

2nd round pick.

He's worth it. He would make our offense very dangerous

No offense but I'm glad you're not the GM.

Hartline is being talked about and looked at as a starter and Turner may turn into another Brandon Marshall. Similar size and speed.

Thanks but no thanks!

.....................................................................................
“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

always take the proven commodity

Agreed, take the proven product

ah..but PF-2. You are banking on potential as well. You are banking that Marshall will potentially change his spots and not act like a thug criminal and not hold out and not cause drama and not run his mouth and ruin what is now great team chemistry.

and there is no background check that is going to predict the future. His background history is what it is...and it aint pretty.

It is so much more rewarding to draft a star than to buy one.

.....................................................................................
“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

Interesting debate. My comments re: If marshall would be good here:

1. I am not worried about Marshall "toeing the line or attitudinal concerns. Why you may ask?
- Denver's new management has zero credibility , after the off season fiascos at QB etc.
- Miami's FO has a solid reputation for dealing with head cases, or even attitude cases (ala JT) in a successful manner

2. From a football stand point, I think we could use a "good experienced receiver".
- I personnally still think Ginn will have a breakout year
- I also see some potentional for Bess, Cam and the new guys
- I do however think that a craft, fast, experienced WR could make everyone in the offense even better

Phinjim Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Interesting debate. My comments re: If marshall
> would be good here:
>
> 1. I am not worried about Marshall "toeing the
> line or attitudinal concerns. Why you may ask?
>
> - Denver's new management has zero credibility ,
> after the off season fiascos at QB etc.
> - Miami's FO has a solid reputation for dealing
> with head cases, or even attitude cases (ala JT)
> in a successful manner

Are you seriously gonna compare JT to Marshall and call him a head case? That is just plain ridiculous!

And who are the others? Ricky Williams? yes he could be considered a head case but a totally different type of head case. BP likes him because when he is here, he is dedicated and a workout warrior and will play hurt. He suffered from a legitimate psychological disorder...not a thug, I can do whatever I want mentallity.

Well, that's one anyway but I would say they have any great history rehabilitating head cases.

>
> 2. From a football stand point, I think we could
> use a "good experienced receiver".
> - I personnally still think Ginn will have a
> breakout year
> - I also see some potentional for Bess, Cam and
> the new guys
> - I do however think that a craft, fast,
> experienced WR could make everyone in the offense
> even better

I agree and if you said we were going to trade for Anquan Boldin, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

.....................................................................................
“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/26/2009 05:45AM by eesti.

Phinjim Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Interesting debate. My comments re: If marshall
> would be good here:
>
> 1. I am not worried about Marshall "toeing the
> line or attitudinal concerns. Why you may ask?
>
> - Denver's new management has zero credibility ,
> after the off season fiascos at QB etc.
> - Miami's FO has a solid reputation for dealing
> with head cases, or even attitude cases (ala JT)
> in a successful manner

Are you seriously gonna compare JT to Maarshall and call him a head case? That is just plain ridiculous!


Don't lose you mind over the comparison ... as my primary point was about the ability of the Fins management to deal with it when players have attitude issues.

You are biased (whether you admit it or not), about JT. he did indeed have an attitude last year, and the FINS mgmt dealt with it quite effectively.

JT is a different guy this year and has the focus and respect of this management.

I believe and my main point above, that so too would Brandon Marshall, find respect for this mgmt team, and add value.

Phinjim Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Phinjim Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Interesting debate. My comments re: If marshall
>
> > would be good here:
> >
> > 1. I am not worried about Marshall "toeing the
> > line or attitudinal concerns. Why you may ask?
> >
> > - Denver's new management has zero credibility ,
>
> > after the off season fiascos at QB etc.
> > - Miami's FO has a solid reputation for dealing
>
> > with head cases, or even attitude cases (ala JT)
>
> > in a successful manner
>
> Are you seriously gonna compare JT to Maarshall
> and call him a head case? That is just plain
> ridiculous!
>
>
> Don't lose you mind over the comparison ... as my
> primary point was about the ability of the Fins
> management to deal with it when players have
> attitude issues.

Being frustrated with the prior REGIMES and not wanting to rebuild again...for the 4th time in 10 years is not what I would call a head case.

Yes, he developed an attitude after a few events unfolded.

>
> You are biased (whether you admit it or not),
> about JT. he did indeed have an attitude last
> year, and the FINS mgmt dealt with it quite
> effectively.

Of course I am biased. As should you be. JT is my favorite player since Marino. But because he is a great player and play maker, smart guy and a class act.

>
> JT is a different guy this year and has the focus
> and respect of this management.

It's not just "this year". I will give you the one year but he has been the consumate pro for over 12 years now. One bad decision in ten years does not define the man.

>
> I believe and my main point above, that so too
> would Brandon Marshall, find respect for this mgmt
> team, and add value.

It is possible and may be the best thing that could happen to him. On the other hand, he could be the exact same and refuse to bond with any of the guys here on the team. It is IMO not worth the risk of a high draft pick and a starter.

.....................................................................................
“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

It doenst matter i dont think Denver's coaching staff could afford to lose this guy lol.

eesti,
When you don't have a clue what you are talking about you should not say anything.

"Denver's new management has zero credibility"

Denver's new management is doing exactly what we want our management to do, which is to sign and keep players that are winners and are willing to work their a-- off without complaining. Got to give the new guy credit for that. Players have a high respect for him.

Marshall will figure it out if he is worth his salt. Cutler is nothing but a crybaby and most here are glad he is gone. Orton appears very coachable which is exactly what this new management needs. What they don't need is a no-it-all gunslinger that thinks he is Farve.

The Phins don't need Marshall, we have enough for this year. If we can pick someone up cheap then fine but we don't need Marshall

Denver is going to be drafting in the top 5 in the 2010 draft with or without him.

Another failure in a long line of sucky x-patriot assistant coaches turned Head Coach.

Chris Simms out 2-4 weeks with high ankle sprain. He was their only hope. Orton sucks.

.....................................................................................
“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/26/2009 07:15AM by eesti.

No Brandon Marshall on this team. That will never happen and should never happen.

Especially if we have to give draft picks and players in return. Give him a shot if he ever becomes a free agent. Which he won't. Good!!!!

Mcfagels is a horrible pick at HC! 1 dont care if you didnt like Cutler, you dont trade a better qb for a worse qb, at least you got a 1st round pick to go along with it. If Denver looses Marshall, all you Denver fans are going to be crying, look Peyton Hillis is Denvers best player just keep feeding him the rock and watch the magic unfold.

MiamiThunder Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mcfagels is a horrible pick at HC! 1 dont care if
> you didnt like Cutler, you dont trade a better qb
> for a worse qb, at least you got a 1st round pick
> to go along with it. If Denver looses Marshall,
> all you Denver fans are going to be crying, look
> Peyton Hillis is Denvers best player just keep
> feeding him the rock and watch the magic unfold.

Denver will suck this year but it won't be the coach's fault. It will be a lack of talent on defense just as it has been in the past. It takes time to build a defense as we all should know. I don't know where you people get your info on Denver, but McDaniels is doing what is necessary. As far as Cutler goes, better to have Orton with the right attatude than the crybaby. You need to build a team with the right players even if it takes time to do it. As I have said before, the QB position will take care of itself if the OL and D is there. They will get their QB if Orton doesn't work out. They will be picking high next year. For now they need to improve their D.

BTW, I am not a Bronco fan, but I live in Denver and know what is going on.

I dont like Mcfagels, never will. I love Peyton Hillis though, wish we could get him at fb, he is a better version of Cobbs!!!

MiamiThunder Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I dont like Mcfagels, never will. I love Peyton
> Hillis though, wish we could get him at fb, he is
> a better version of Cobbs!!!

??? Cobbs doesn't play FB.

MARSHALL IS A PUNK no punks

Leon In Denver Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> eesti,
> When you don't have a clue what you are talking
> about you should not say anything.
> "Denver's new management has zero credibility"

Well Leon, If you are functionally illiterate then you should stop attempting to respond to posters. I never said that. Phinjim did.

You think you have some great insight to the Broncos because you live in the same town and get to hear more from local reporters or what? Big friggin deal. I guess you don't kow shite about the dolphins because you don't live here then. You don't know any more than anyone else around here so stop trying to act like the expert with inside information. Everyone can get the same info on the internet, cable or sports radio...same as you.

> Denver's new management is doing exactly what we
> want our management to do, which is to sign and
> keep players that are winners and are willing to
> work their a-- off without complaining. Got to
> give the new guy credit for that. Players have a
> high respect for him.
> Marshall will figure it out if he is worth his
> salt. Cutler is nothing but a crybaby and most
> here are glad he is gone.
Orton appears very
> coachable which is exactly what this new
> management needs. What they don't need is a
> no-it-all gunslinger that thinks he is Farve.
>
> The Phins don't need Marshall, we have enough for
> this year. If we can pick someone up cheap then
> fine but we don't need Marshall

Exactly what I have been saying. maybe you should try to read who wrote what before you go insulting people.

and BTW....Denver and McDaniels has done NOTHING to prove they are worthy of a Miami comparison. They have not played a single game yet.

Many former so called great coordinators from NE have gone on to be head coaches and failed miserably. Until Josh proves it, he is just another one of them.

and if you are counting on Orton to lead the team then you are in for a long season. I am from Illinois so I guess I am an expert on him right? He is inconsistent and throws too many picks at the wrong time. Chicago got some wins under him but they can thank Devin Hester and a good defense for that. Good luck with your new team.

.....................................................................................
“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/27/2009 04:52AM by eesti.

Okay eesti, My bad, wasn't you.
As far as the rest, McDanial is doing nearly the same things our unproven new coach did last year. He is building the team with players that want it bad. Proven? No, of coarse not, but does that make him deserve criticism at this stage? I will wait and see.

I'm not counting on Orton or anyone else. I said he is coachable which is more than I can say about the Farve want-a-be in Chicago.

As I said before, I'm a Phin fan, I could care less about the Broncos, but why would I criticize them? They really do have a good organization. Not like the rivals in our division.

I could get under your skin in many ways too, but that's not the point. When you live in a town and pay attention you will have more incite than the Internet can give. That is the whole reason I come to this site. I especially like reading from people who live in the area and get to attend some practices. I get quick info with less time spent. The arguments are mostly entertaining. A quick read, maybe a comment and move on. I have more important things to do so seeee ya.

I'll repeat .. the focus of my comments was to illuminate my confidence in Miami Dolphins management to effectively deal with tough emotional player concerns:

1. Not trying to say JT = Brandon marshal
- Am trying to say that JT had attitude issues not in line with team needs and the team dealt effectively with them yielding draft picks and as fate would have it getting JT back the next year for way less money and an I want to play for the FINS focus. Credit to both JT and FINS mgmt for it.

2. Not trying to Say Denever mgmt was wrong in Brandon marshall talks.
- Am trying to say that (I feel) the denver mgmt could have done a whole lot to improve the J. Cutler seires of events
- Am trying to say that I think the FINS FO is capable of effectively managing and motivating Brandon marshal to play well in Miami
- Am trying to say that I think the circumstances are now such that Brandon marshall and the Denver Broncos could use a set of new skies for Brandon marshall.

Well said. I agree.

but I think this smart arse comment from Leon was meant for you...

Phinjim
When you don't have a clue what you are talking about you should not say anything.

.....................................................................................
“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

I can contest to that!

Can't sweat the small stuff, have explained intent.

Leon is close to the Broncos and has a feel for what the mgmt is trying to do. His points are understood.

Hope comments bridge (or at least are a clue) to an accord.

attest.

.....................................................................................
“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers