What's the over/under on whether the first game of next year's season will feature both Eichenberg and Jones as your starters at guard. Any barely competent GM would give up on both of them. They were historically bad. But Miami doesn't have a barely competent GM. I actually think that there's a chance both are back starting. The chances of at least one being a starter is in my opinion almost a certainty. When it comes to offensive line, Grier is clueless. He recently gave some lip service about needing to put more assets into the offensive line, but I don't believe it for a second. More investment in the offensive line would show some awareness how much the offense was hamstrung by their pathetic play.

Miami started last season in the Top 5 power rankings. We Walloped The Broncos 71 to 8.

This season We lost a few starters on defense but The ones we got steped up.

Yet here we are out on our asses at #17 for over all power rankings.The Broncos are in after suffering through the cap hit on Russell.

Miami has talent. We need improvement in many areas of course .....Oline especially........but We have no coaching. Ever watch winning time on HBO?
The coach situation in the late 70s early 80s was interesting as heck......Pat Riley motivated great players like Kareem Abdul and Magic to play at high levels. Work tbrough injuries.He inspired greatness as did Don Shula and Jimmy Jihnson. Im always trying to be positive....hopefull. Not with this owner. We cant ever be great with Greer and McD.Good but never great. And not even that good.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

During Dan Marino's final years at QB for Miami, the team had suffered yet another disappointing end of the season, Offensive coordinator, Gary Stevens was taking a lot of heat for a lackluster offense. He responded with something along the lines of, "Other than Danny, who do we have? You can't make chicken salad out of chicken s***." All the coaching in the world isn't going to make Eichenberg or Jones adequate guards. Grier has always neglected O line thinking he can get by with fringe players. The few times he does hit on a draft pick, Robert Hunt for example, he let's him go. Grier should have extended Hunt at least a year before he became a free agent. Miami has a lot of problems and most if not all can be traced back to Grier. Until he's gone, Miami will continue to be a perpetual also-ran.

What Fins72 said. I'll add a slew of picks and the most cap room in the league to start the rebuild in 2020.

We drafted Tua at 5. Good stats, not built for NFL hits.

Austin Jackson 16 to play LT. He's an average at best RT

Noah Iggy DB. Did nothing and was cut.

Took hunt at 6 in round 2 to play RT. Moved to G and exceeded expectations. Let him walk.

Grier is the main problem. Coach Beta is a close 2nd.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> What Fins72 said. I'll add a slew of picks and
> the most cap room in the league to start the
> rebuild in 2020.
>
> We drafted Tua at 5. Good stats, not built for
> NFL hits.
>
> Austin Jackson 16 to play LT. He's an average at
> best RT
>
> Noah Iggy DB. Did nothing and was cut.
>
> Took hunt at 6 in round 2 to play RT. Moved to G
> and exceeded expectations. Let him walk.
>
> Grier is the main problem. Coach Beta is a close
> 2nd.


In my opinion, if Ross even had a scintilla of a clue of how to manage an NFL franchise, he'd have fired Grier, hired a GM from an organization that has excelled in the draft and let that GM decide on whether to keep McDaniel or not. The Rams, Lions, Ravens... just a few organizations that have drafted well. The Rams took Puka Nacua in the fifth round and he's an elite talent. Amon-Ra St. Brown was taken in the fourth round. Grier hits on Van Ginkel with a lower round pick and then doesn't even offer him an extension. He goes to the Vikings and makes the Pro Bowl. Seriously, Grier couldn't do worse if he was actually trying to get fired.

Fins72 Wrote:

>
>
> In my opinion, if Ross even had a scintilla of a
> clue of how to manage an NFL franchise, he'd have
> fired Grier, hired a GM from an organization that
> has excelled in the draft and let that GM decide
> on whether to keep McDaniel or not.

I think McD needs to go faster then Tyreek Hill past a Trooper.....but that's an excellent suggestion. Let The new GM take the fall because Ross is such a MEOW.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Worst part about this Superbowl........watching Faginis Defense man handle the Chiefs. Fangini said Miamis culture was a " joke". Boys......not men led by a boy. Eagles are playing lights out. No extentions paid.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Fangio was the MVP. They have to give it to a player (the P in MVP, I suppose)...but Fangio was the most valuable person in the game.

Ramsey (whose game I really respect) and Holland (who I think played not to get hurt so he could get his big 2nd contract) both posted things that seemed to pretty-strongly imply they were happy to see Fangio go. Ramsey's seemed to blame him for not utilizing him correctly.

Meanwhile Philly goes from 3rd worst to 2nd best from 2023 to 24 in points allowed. #26 to #1 in yards allowed. Yeah, Fangio was the problem for sure.

We're dang lucky to have Anthony Weaver, but Fangio put on a clinic - literally nearly flawless - against Mahomes & the Chiefs offense.

The SB result proves a couple of things to me.

1. Fangio can flat out coach defense. I'm not sure what happened in Miami. I know that Fangio is a Philadelphia guy and so maybe Miami was never in his long-term plans, but all the bad talking done by Miami's defensive players didn't age well.

2. I don't care who your QB is, if your offensive line can't pass block, you aren't going to win. Mahomes looked positively average in that game. Can you imagine what he'd look like with Rob Jones and Liam Eichenberg blocking for him? As bad as KC's offensive line played, they're still light years better that the collection of stiffs Grier has assembled. The frustrating part of this is that I have no faith in the fact that Grier will alter his approach to the offensive line. I could see him signing an aging and often injured veteran or two and then drafting some mid to late round offensive linemen who will flame out like the ever-growing list of crappy draft picks Grier's made. Notables like Ryan Hayes, Larnel Coleman, Solomon Kindley, Michael Dieter, Liam Eichenberg, Isiah Prince, etc. etc.

My guess is that the culture in Philly is such that players prioritize winning and their defensive players wanted Fangio to get the very best out of them.

In terms of point 2, I agree. Tua is no Mahomes...but neither is Hurts. It was my year to host, so I didn't really hone in on every play of the game. But, I didn't see Hurts do a bunch of stuff that Tua couldn't (ok, the tush push). His OL gave him time to make some throws and scramble a bit out of the pocket.

Frankly, it was encouraging to see that it's not just Brady who can beat Mahomes in the SB. Great team win for Philly, absolutely led by the defense.

I would actually rate a healthy Tua over Hurts comparing the physical components. Hurts is smarter than Tua and that is big.

I agree, we should never have gone into the season w/ Jones and Eichenberg at guards, even the fans saw that. Jones is a decent backup at best. Brewer is a good mobile center but not the strongest so the last thing we needed was to flank him w/ weak guards.

I think this was how coach McDaniel wanted it emulating the niners “our qb does not hold onto the ball long”, “our rbs are quick and just need a sliver of a seam to run thru so we don’t need high priced o-linemen”. Stupid. We knew that White and Thompson were not adequate backups but the coach wanted them.

Not protecting Grier, personally I would let him go but he is here and can bring in players that we can win with. I think he should take total control of player acquisition w/out much input from McDaniel.

This is the modern nfl and you just cannot retain guys like you could in the 70’s. Shula and his front office had a lot of busts and traded players they should have kept (list is longer than Grier’s). Detroit with their recent success does not have a single player on their roster from the 2020 draft.

Campbell, good coach made chicken salad out of chicken s**t.

My hope w/ Grier’s post season comments about the OL and backup qb is an indication that he is taking more control. Ross counts his coins; McDaniel’s wants to keep his nose in his playbook rather than lead men so I'm hoping Grier will take charge and lead this team.

This team has zero identity, nerd coach, not that smart of a qb, some players do the hell what they want, a seemingly clueless front office. I say seemingly because there are some good people there.

If McDaniel does not win in 2025 I think Weaver gets his job.

My take on Tua's intelligence is that it's enigmatic. He's an incredibly fast processor and seemingly able to operate our complex offense masterfully by employing the combination of his knowledge of it and fast processing. BUT when the play breaks down and requires improvisation, he short circuits. One would think that his fast processing would enable him to diagnose the breakdown and determine the best improvisational course of action. However, it rarely seems to play out that way. Even the easiest possible options - throwing the ball away and living for another play, or scrambling and sliding safely - seem not to come to mind in those situations.

Good eval of Tua

Fins72 Wrote:
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> The SB result proves a couple of things to me.
>
> 1. Fangio can flat out coach defense. I'm not sure
> what happened in Miami. I know that Fangio is a
> Philadelphia guy and so maybe Miami was never in
> his long-term plans, but all the bad talking done
> by Miami's defensive players didn't age well.
>
> 2. I don't care who your QB is, if your offensive
> line can't pass block, you aren't going to win.
> Mahomes looked positively average in that game.
> Can you imagine what he'd look like with Rob Jones
> and Liam Eichenberg blocking for him? As bad as
> KC's offensive line played, they're still light
> years better that the collection of stiffs Grier
> has assembled. The frustrating part of this is
> that I have no faith in the fact that Grier will
> alter his approach to the offensive line. I could
> see him signing an aging and often injured veteran
> or two and then drafting some mid to late round
> offensive linemen who will flame out like the
> ever-growing list of crappy draft picks Grier's
> made. Notables like Ryan Hayes, Larnel Coleman,
> Solomon Kindley, Michael Dieter, Liam Eichenberg,
> Isiah Prince, etc. etc.


Great points 72!!

GO DOLPHINS!!!!