Tua is still waiting for his new contract. A lot of it has to deal with his injuries, and many of the fans have their doubts because he only won one game out of five of the "good" teams Miami played.

I understand all that, but look around the league. The "elite" QBs have been paid (except for Tua and Lawrence). Tua's numbers are better than many of those QBs, i.e., 2023 he threw for a league high 4,624 yards with 29 touchdowns, a completion rate of 69.3, and a passer rating of 101.5. Also selected to his first Pro Bowl and was the starter for that game. In 2022, he threw for 3,548 yards with a 105.5 rating.

People are looking at Tua's performance vs KC in the playoff game. We all know, especially Tua, that he could have played better, and no excuses, but he was playing in minus degree weather and there were a lot of injuries on both the offense and defense.

Miami loses Tua, and they will then have to start all over again. There are a lot of QBs that were drafted high who have not panned out; Tua has done well and is the perfect for the Fins. I say pay the man, but agree he doesn't deserve (yet) a top 3 payday. He does even better this upcoming season than he did last, and it will all pay off for the Fins.

I'm not anti Tua. I wasn't for drafting him but he's had some pretty nice moments. He's alot better then I gave him credit for. But........we have some pretty high cost contracts. I have no problem resigning him but remember he has alot of issues and injuries. Don't over pay. We need to have enough left over to sign a quality back up.........

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It's a glaring fact that Tua racked up his "elite" numbers against the bad teams and chokes against the better teams and in crunch time. Yes, the conditions at Arrowhead Stadium were a bit chilly but, Mahomes was playing in the same conditions and didn't need any excuses. I imagine Tua will get paid handsomely but, I hope that the organization also puts a lot of resources into a viable plan B beyond the back-ups that we have now.

Ultimately, I've probably felt like what Tua said "the market is what the market is". And, if you combine that with Grier saying pretty clearly they want to extend Tua, it's probably going to happen and probably going to be in that Goff range.

When that happens, we'll sort of be playing with the same basic hand as the 5 other teams with QBs in the $50M/per stratosphere...and for a time he'll look relatively overpaid as a top 6 contract for a top 10 or so QB. Until Lawrence signs his, and Mahomes gets the bump to get back to the top, etc.

Lots to be concerned about giving that kind of guacamole to Tua, but I remind myself how long it's been since we've even had to think about paying near top $ for a QB.

A big part of my message above was to say "Grier - what's to gain from waiting? Get it done if that's what you're gonna do before the market moves up again".

With the Jags paying Lawrence Burrow money, it's hard to see Tua taking less than that. My simple mind just doesn't get what - if anything - is (was) to gain by waiting.

tsstamper Wrote:
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> A big part of my message above was to say "Grier -
> what's to gain from waiting? Get it done if
> that's what you're gonna do before the market
> moves up again".
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> With the Jags paying Lawrence Burrow money, it's
> hard to see Tua taking less than that. My simple
> mind just doesn't get what - if anything - is
> (was) to gain by waiting.

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tsstamper.

I can understand why Grier was holding off, but he has now dug himself a hole that the only way out is to sign Tua. Lawrence just signed his contract. Tua's numbers are better than Lawrence's. Sure, Tua and the team didn't do well against last year's teams with winning records, but if he hadn't played as well as he did the rest of the season, Miami wouldn't have been in the playoffs. It has been many, many years where Miami also had trouble beating the teams they should beat; that's no longer the case.

As Tua has said, "The market is the market." Well, Chris Grier, it's now time to pay up, or watch your starting QB not be on the field and the backups trying hard, but not doing a good job.

He does not deserve anything close to those Lawrence numbers. I'm sorry he just doesn't. Grier hasn't done anything wrong from my perspective. Throw some numbers in front of him. The most you want to give. Don't even think about Lawrence. Just because Jacksonville wants to throw all thier money at a QB doesn't mean we have to know. Tell TUA and his manager.......this is it. Don't like it? Go sign with the Jets and get hurt the first time you step on the field. I like TUA. But he's not the end all for me. He's no Wilkins.

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Cap - I'd be curious to understand your perspective about why Grier may have held off, given their publicly stated intent to sign him. I just don't see the updside in waiting.

My take 2 cents: they rather give him the 5th year option and see if he play another year injury free. Then give him a hudeal in 2025. That can only hurt their chances with. Since he will be a free agent in 2025 and can sign with anybody then.

I know Grier's had a pretty consistent message of "Tua's our guy long-term and we want to get something done".

If Grier's actual preference is to have him play on the 5th year option it would appear to be different that what he's communicated, though he's certainly left it open enough to not be specifically committed to anything.

They could have him play the 5th year option...and then they could even franchise him for 2025 (or even beyond, I suppose). That would definitely be zigging when the rest of the league is zagging in terms of a QB the GM claims is the guy they want there in the long-term. But it's certainly a real option.

My thought is they were trying to get him for about what Goff/Hurts/Herbert are getting. $51-$53M/yr. Burrow was the outlier seemingly made so by appearing to be the kind of QB who can put the team on his back a bit more than the others. Tua doesn't have that ability and both Hurts and Goff had SB appearances during their rookie contracts on their resume. Now, with Trevor getting the same $ as Burrrow, Tua's argument can be "I've produced more than Trevor".

I was less concerned about Tua getting, say, $53M than I am now with him trying to make a case for more than Lawrence.

Treasure - what do you think the bottom line # is that Grier should throw at him? If he doesn't take it, who would you have be QB? (I'm sort of assuming he'd hold out at least a few games rather than play on the 5th year).

Seems like it's a game. Who can be the highest paid at thier position. People get insulted if they are not the highest paid.

#1. Only 1 person can be the highest paid. Should be someone with maybe a few playoff wins.....championships?

#2 . TUA. I admire your desire to never give up.....but the fact is your history does not back highest paid anything.

Miami took a chance on you. We have gotten only a few good games. Don't hold out for highest paid ......Because unlike the others you NEED other players to win. So take less and give Miami a chance to win it all. Miami needs to add incentives if he wins it all .

If Grier makes him the highest paid player in the NFL , it's a sign that this game , starting with this team , is a sham.

Sorry. I like him. I support him. I root for him.....but this same player I saw have a neurological episode on the field.
He didn't play again for 10 months. You just can't wrap up that much money in one player. A player that is always a down from being on IR......or worse.

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100 percent right.

And now tua and his greedy agent probably want close to 60 mill per. With such history of injuries is he worth it..? I don't think so either.

These high paid lawyers/ agents hold all the fans in contempt because they fill their clients head with delusions of grander and essentially rip apart locker rooms . When Wilkins left for the $$$$$ I was annoyed because he really wanted to be here.great player who is going to be a leader on defense. If TUA left I don't know if I'd be more relived then upset. Either way they need to sign Tannehill for a quality backup either way.

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I do believe there are some players whose pride drives them to be the highest paid. But, I believe that agents might even be a greater driver...not wanting to be the agent who didn't get the new record amount for their client as they seek add'l clients.

I, of course, don't know Tua personally. But, I get the feeling the agent is a big part of that equation in his case.

If it were posed to him without the agent's influence (yeah, i get that it's not current reality) and it was $53M/yr but we can afford meaningful upgrades like OBJ and Jonnu Smith or OL help over the next several years...or $56M+ and pieces like them - that will help you succeed at your position - won't be affordable... I think he'd balance the $ now to him personally with the greater chance of success (which can lead to add'l money later).

Good post Tamper......and thats exactly what Brady did for decades. Winning, being competitive was more important to Tom then a few more dollars in the bank account. Now that hes retired and not a threat to the Dolphins im starting to appreciate what a great team player Tom was. TUA needs to appreciate the chance Miami took on him. Despite his many faults , injuries, physical size/ strength........he can throw and hes damn accurate but conditions need to be Hawaii weather perfect with good blocking .

If Miami makes him the highest paid player at QB its because they want to pretend Picking TUA so high in the draft was worth it. Making TUA the highest paid anything will ensure we win nothing for at least 4-5 more yrs.

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Read this article on a recent Ownership meeting:


"In the last one year, the quarterback market has reset six times. After each occasion, it feels like no other team will be able to top the current money margin but eventually, they do. So, to put a leash on franchises spending the lion’s share of their salary cap on quarterbacks, several owners have discussed introducing a quarterback salary cap."

Even they see it. If this keeps up pure human greed will end it all.

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Agreed tstamper.

The owners do see the problem...but it's been created, in large part, because today's rules (and the owners basically make the league's rules, as I understand it) make the QB position so much more valuable than any other. I.e. they sort of dug their own grave there.

My preference would be rules that enable differently-constructed teams to legitimately compete for SBs. I hate that Mahomes (based upon the past 5 yrs history) basically has an 80% chance of playing in and 60% chance of winning the SB...and the rest of the AFC QBs split the other 20% of even making it to the SB, let alone winning.

No doubt. Owners wrapped up with these 30-50 Million a year QBs are essentially hog tying defenses to protect investments. These rules are not to benefit player's........its to protect investments. Nothing I enjoyed more was watching a defense collapse the pocket and a QB sacked off their feet.

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This fkng guy thinks he is as good as the top paid QB's

Bring Tannehill back and then see how fast Tua reconsiders when he has to fight for his spot.

Tannehill will break records with this offense. He will break a record for been the most sacked qb over the last 50 years.

has another year, have to see if he can stay healthy and win big games or negotiate a lower incentive laden deal

Such a complex thing/game of chicken. I've heard at least one national commentator (can't remember who) publicly advise Tua not to set foot on the field until a contract is done. So....that's just great.

As we all are, I'm a fan of the team and want what puts us in the best position to win Super Bowls. Based upon the stories/Youtube/etc. that were done about Tua and the way he takes care of money, I'm guessing he's in a position to easily sit out as many games as it may take - up to and including the full season.

I don't know that I like it, but I think he has more leverage than the team right now. Like it or not, our offense is built largely around what he brings to the table at the QB position. And, he's flat out said "the market is what the market is".

For him to play on the 5th year option would be to risk injury and what would likely be about $150M+ guaranteed money. I think him sitting out is more likely than him playing on the 5th year option.

Again, not saying I like it...just trying to think thru.

Now tua nor reek is happy. Grier didn't think tua was worth what his agent was asking and waited until other qbs got even higher salaries just to have the excuse of its just too much money for tua.

He has a history of injuries but he showed he could stay healthy last year.

They did nothing to improve the oline.

And now we have a leaner qb who's thinking about scrambling and buying time for the play to develop.

I don't know training camp is about to start and this is a huge issue. Tua and tyreek.

Grier is trying to throw this team under bus.

A couple of things are indisputable.

1. Tua is the best QB that Miami has had since Danny.
2. There is no better alternative to Tua for at least the next several seasons. I've heard some people talking about signing Dak if Dallas moves on from him, but that's going to be more money than it would take to sign Tua and at best, it's a lateral move.
3. Tua's ability to get rid of the ball quickly has masked a lot of problems with this offensive line.
4. Tannehill (I can't believe there are some advocating him as a replacement) would be a disaster behind this offensive line.
5. As far as the cap goes, it's such a joke because there are so many ways to get around it. If they sign Tua to a market deal and it doesn't work out, you move on.

Reality is that Miami won't be picking high enough to draft a new QB next year, so we'd be stuck with a Kirk Cousins type of replacement. That option is infinitely unappealing to me.

Today is the 25th of July, and Tua is still without a new contract. Granted, he isn't an elite QB (as yet), but he is in the upper levels of NFL QBs. I can understand Grier's position, but I can understand Tua's even more so. As he has said, "The market is what it is." If Jordan Love signs before Tua for an even bigger payday than Tua would have received if the Fins paid him now, Grier is going to have to dish out way more money than he thought he could get Tua to sign for.

Miami doesn't have a QB they can count on (besides Tua), so if he sits out, where does that leave the Fins? They going to go out and sign Cousins to an even bigger contract?

IMO, Tua has Grier by the b***s, so Grier better get on the ball and get this done.

Just my humble opinion, guys.

It might be imminent. The word from camp is that Tua is fully engaged in practice in the 11 on 11 drills. Likely a new contract will be announced soon. About time.

It's official. 4 years $212 million extension. $167 guaranteed.

Fins up....

I was about to type something like "I'm in the wrong business" but then I remembered CTE and all the other chronic injuries these guys face, so I'll save that comment for a baseball contract.

OK Team, move forward, no excuses! Go Dolphins!