So pay 19 mil for two years and then the market goes up in 2017 and we are no longer paying 15 mil per year but closer to 20 with 40 mil guaranteed.

In typical media style, they are reporting rumors and not facts. It is now been said that no negotiations have been discussed.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> So pay 19 mil for two years and then the market
> goes up in 2017 and we are no longer paying 15 mil
> per year but closer to 20 with 40 mil guaranteed.
>
> In typical media style, they are reporting rumors
> and not facts. It is now been said that no
> negotiations have been discussed.

Too bad. It's a good move to extend him before luck and Wilson reset the market.

They also said it's likely to happen at the combine next week.

the negotiations did begin with that media leak. now they have a starting point.

I guess the more I look at the numbers suggested, it isn't too bad.. In year 1 or 2 of the deal it seems like we are overpaying.. But by year 4,5,6, and 7 fifteen million a year is going to be a real value.. So in that the way I can make sense of it being a value deal for us..

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JoeFootball Wrote:
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> "Can we just get off this, 'Is Ryan Tannehill the
> guy down there?' " Simms said Friday on The Sid
> Rosenberg Show on 640-AM Sports (WMEN). "Can we
> stop it? Quit worrying about the quarterback,
> Miami. Worry about everybody else. The quarterback
> is fine. You got me? The quarterback is fine.
>
> "Man, he was ripping every game," said Simms.
> "You can't complain about how he played the last
> eight or 10 or 12 games, or whatever it was. He
> was absolutely ... well, I'm not going to say
> terrific ... he was very good. He's not the reason
> . So, please, everybody move on to the next thing.
> Find something else to talk about down there, it's
> not the quarterback."
>
> Ditto




I love Phil Simms.

Easily my favorite NFL analyst.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> "Can we just get off this, 'Is Ryan Tannehill the
> guy down there?' " Simms said Friday on The Sid
> Rosenberg Show on 640-AM Sports (WMEN). "Can we
> stop it? Quit worrying about the quarterback,
> Miami. Worry about everybody else. The quarterback
> is fine. You got me? The quarterback is fine.
>
> "Man, he was ripping every game," said Simms.
> "You can't complain about how he played the last
> eight or 10 or 12 games, or whatever it was. He
> was absolutely ... well, I'm not going to say
> terrific ... he was very good. He's not the reason
> . So, please, everybody move on to the next thing.
> Find something else to talk about down there, it's
> not the quarterback."
>
> Ditto

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I agree with Simms. RT is going to continue to improve. He will never improve enough to get Miami to the Super Bowl, however, until the organization shores up the players on both sides. Can anyone say Dan Marino (although he did get to one S?

You could say that about every QB in the NFL if you were being honest.

NO QB is going to win you a SB all by himself. Not even with a couple of All Pro WR's to help.

If you need to know how difficult it is, look no further than Peyton Manning. All the yards and records and he has only won exactly one SB. He even had a pretty good team around him the last few years and how much good did it do him?

Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers (the MVP).....none of them are taking a team on their back for 18 games and a championship without other weapons.

People can stroke Tom Brady all they want but he had a damn good team around him to make it happen. He didn't do it on his own. Defense, running game, coaching...

Wilson last year had about as complete a team as you can have. The only weak point was the WR corp and the other parts made up for it.

Wouldn't you rather have a complete team (or close to it) than a top 3 QB? Sure, they are fun to watch and great for bragging rights but when they struggle, you lose. They get hurt and you are done.

I would rather have other phases well defined so a backup QB can come in and still win games.

We have signed quarterback Ryan Tannehill to a contract extension through the 2020 season!

Only Wannstedt would compare Tannehill to Fiedler. Say what you want about Tannehill, but the guy has an NFL caliber arm and can make all the throws. Fiedler was a gritty guy who gave it his all but watching him try and throw a deep out was painful. You could time it with a calendar. I guess you have to remember that when it comes to judging QB talent, Wannstedt was the guy who gave up a first rounder for Rick Mirer.

The most reinforcing aspect of 2015 Tannehill is that he has improved every year and there is no reason to suspect that trend will not continue, IMO.

His biggest improvements (on paper) from year to year were....

2012 to 2013: He doubled his TD output from year one to two.

2013 to 2014: He threw 5 fewer interceptions in 100 more atempts.

He hasn't had the problems that have affected so many young QB's.

No regression, (just steady improvement). (RG3, Kaepernick, Dalton, Foles)

No off field issues or immaturity issues. (Cam Newton, RG3, Manziel)

Has not failed to show ability to play at NFL level: Locker, Ponder, Smith, Manuel, Weeden,

Has not been injured: (Bradford)

Has not taken too long to develop: (Alex Smith)

Pros: Strong arm, can make all the throws, smart, mature, tough, durable, athletic, runs 4.5, knows the WR spot, pocket awareness is improving, accuracy is improving, has improved looking off safety, overall knowledge has improved, has shown ability to learn and excel in new system

Cons: struggled to throw a perfect pass to a limited receiver on the deep pass.

2012 without Mike Wallace, Tannehill was 7th in the league at 43.1% of passes completed 20 yards or further down field.

With Mike Wallace...

2013: 17th at 32.8%
2014: 13th at 37.7%

(with QB's who played in 50% of offensive snaps)

All this from a guy who played fewer snaps at QB in college than ANY QB LISTED ABOVE. Most of those guys had almost twice as much experience coming in...

The weird thing about Tannehill is, if it's a designed run or roll-out he has great mobility, but if he sets his feet and the pocket collapses his feet seem to be stuck in quick sand, not sure if he waits to long or just doesn't have that quick twitch gear that others have, but that's really the only complaint I have with him (the long ball will get better with better line play IMO)

Knowing JP's philiosophy, he is likely constantly harping on ball security....take the sack instead of turning the ball over? etc,

Besides, I think RT has gotten much better in that aspect. I think he will continue to get better as he learns the offense, get's more comfortable with reading defenses, etc.

Thats one of the main things he needs to learn. Roll out of the pocket when the pressure comes.

Not easy to learn...He needs a ticking clock in his head so when the 3 or 4 seconds have passed he needs to get away from pressure.

Ask any Qb or coach and they will tell you the hardest spot to escape from is up the middle....and that has been our weak point. Fix the line and many issues get fixed along with them....deep passing, turnovers, run game, sacks

Look at the Bills game, Lions game. First two of the game and Suh was in the backfield after two seconds.



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They put the lions game on nfl network the other day but i missed it..+

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> I can count two games taken away from Tannehill by
> Philbin. Green Bay and Detroit.


Philbin and his staff are the main problem! Philbin makes major decisions at the end of a game and they lose. I remember reading an interview with Sherman. He was asked (after a loss) why they stopped running the ball when it was so effective. Sherman replied that it was Philbin's decision. Philbin is terrible, and has no business being a Head Coach.

The offense appears to be fine and just lacking red zone playmakers, but in reality it's mostly one-dimensional and confined to 20-25 yards or less... easy to defend. And, if you're headed into your 4th year and still can't find 5 competent guys to run your o-line blocking schemes, then maybe the schemes are the problem! Ever since Coyle took over the defense and he changed schemes the run defense has worsened. The previous regime's defense was very good against the run with a stout Front 7, but they needed a little help in the secondary. Under Coyle, every area needs help. Remember how players were complaining about Coyle's defensive schemes and playcalling? IMO, Coyle is trying to be too fancy and creative just for the sake of being fancy and creative, and the problem is that it's losing games. Nolan was able to field a decent defense even with Ireland as the GM, but Coyle has no clue how to use what he has. Under Philbin, both the offense and the defense have a set plan and force the players to fit it. A good Coach would change his plan to fit the strengths of his players.

There appears to be enough talent on the field to win more games, but the coaching and playcalling suck. In 2013, Miami completely dominated 2 playoff caliber teams (Pats and Panthers) at halftime, only to lose. If they had the talent to be ahead, then the only reason I can think of as to why they lost is poor playcalling and adjustments. Miami has hovered around 8-8 and will not improve until Philbin and his staff are replaced. I would like to see how well Tannehill could do under a real coaching staff.

Neither Hickey nor Tannenbaum were given the power to fire Philbin. This means that Ross is too proud to admit that his choice for Head Coach is a bust, and too stubborn to allow someone else to rectify his mistake.

gofins60 Wrote:
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> ChyrenB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I can count two games taken away from Tannehill
> by
> > Philbin. Green Bay and Detroit.
>
>
> Philbin and his staff are the main problem!
> Philbin makes major decisions at the end of a game
> and they lose. I remember reading an interview
> with Sherman. He was asked (after a loss) why they
> stopped running the ball when it was so effective.
> Sherman replied that it was Philbin's decision.
> Philbin is terrible, and has no business being a
> Head Coach.
>
> The offense appears to be fine and just lacking
> red zone playmakers, but in reality it's mostly
> one-dimensional and confined to 20-25 yards or
> less... easy to defend.

I would say we WERE one dimensional. Hartline NEVER scored points. Wallace was definitely limited, fast but unathletic. Limited body control.

I can't wait to see the new weapons unvailed. Parker, Stills, Jennings, Landry, Ajayi, Miller, Jordan...WOW. How do you defend 5 of those guys at the same time? You don't.

And, if you're headed into
> your 4th year and still can't find 5 competent
> guys to run your o-line blocking schemes, then
> maybe the schemes are the problem!

or the talent. It takes time to transition from big to athletic. guys were under contract and had to be dealt with. Doesn't happen overnight. Especially when you have MANY other pressing needs. We were improving last year until Albert's injury derailed the entire line. Bullygate, Incognito, Martin....that was so out of the norm and set us back big time.

Ever since
> Coyle took over the defense and he changed schemes
> the run defense has worsened. The previous
> regime's defense was very good against the run
> with a stout Front 7,

Also changed once Soliai was let go. To their credit, they realized that lining up two 3-technique tackles was a misstake. At least that's what the drafting of Jordan Phillips tells me. Going back to traditional 4-3 DT set (one 3 tech, one NT). I agree Coyle was getting too fancy but guys were aging as well as no longer here. Also on the field a lot. Improved offense/running backs will help. Time of Possession Miami 30:07 opponents 29:52. pretty much even. need to fix that

but they needed a little
> help in the secondary. Under Coyle, every area
> needs help. Remember how players were complaining
> about Coyle's defensive schemes and playcalling?
> IMO, Coyle is trying to be too fancy and creative
> just for the sake of being fancy and creative, and
> the problem is that it's losing games.

Yes and FINALLY Philbin is listening. Has said defense will eliminate many of the sub packages and simplify. Now young guys can contribute earlier and more often.

Nolan was
> able to field a decent defense even with Ireland
> as the GM, but Coyle has no clue how to use what
> he has.

And Nolan also had JT, Wake, a younger Solia, a younger Starks, Vontae Davis, Sean Smith, Karlos Dansby, Kevin Burnett. Much better LB play as well as CB's on both sides. Make or break year for Coyle. I don't see how he can fail with this line.

Under Philbin, both the offense and the
> defense have a set plan and force the players to
> fit it. A good Coach would change his plan to fit
> the strengths of his players.

Always agreed on this.

>
> There appears to be enough talent on the field to
> win more games, but the coaching and playcalling
> suck.

My only bitch with play calling was not running the ball enough.

In 2013, Miami completely dominated 2
> playoff caliber teams (Pats and Panthers) at
> halftime, only to lose. If they had the talent to
> be ahead, then the only reason I can think of as
> to why they lost is poor playcalling and
> adjustments. Miami has hovered around 8-8 and will
> not improve until Philbin and his staff are
> replaced. I would like to see how well Tannehill
> could do under a real coaching staff.
>
> Neither Hickey nor Tannenbaum were given the power
> to fire Philbin. This means that Ross is too proud
> to admit that his choice for Head Coach is a bust,
> and too stubborn to allow someone else to rectify
> his mistake.

Or maybe he realizes that it takes time. Show me a team who changes HC's often and I'll show you a team drafting high every year. This is Philbin's last chance. This is the first year he has enough pieces in place.

He has no excuses as long as we don't end up with 5 key starters on IR again.

This team is going to surprise a lot of people this year. I see an explosive offense and suffocating defense. Our weakness is at corner BUT thatstill doesn't mean someone won't step up. Wake, Suh, Vernon, Phillips will be in the backfield all day long. That will make the most average corners look like Pro Bowlers....hurried passes = turnovers. sacks = potential turnovers. We will be making teams one dimensional. They only option for offenses will be the quick passing game. That won't work all the time and it won't be enough if we improve on our 24.2 ppg average. Play the right defense and you can defend the quick passing game. Just my opionion.