ChyrenB Wrote:
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> JoeFootball Wrote:
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> > Like Truth says, what past regimes have done in
> > the draft over the last 8 years is irrelevant.
> > They obviously failed miserably. It doesn't
> mean
> > you give up.
> > (Besides, over the last 8 years (in addition to
> > Jake Long) we also have James and Pouncey)
> >
> Give up? No but it might mean you probably ought
> to give a thought to doing something different.
> If drafting O linemen and D linemen on the basis
> of need year after year has only got us Jake Long
> (and Pouncey as you say) but the minute we go on
> the open market, we get Albert, Mike Wallace and
> Knowshon Moreno and they do great (before injury),
> maybe you ought to change and draft the best
> player available.

We are in a better position to draft BPA this year but that doesn't mean you ignore your biggest weakness. Everyone says they take the BPA but it's simply not true in most cases. If you have Andrew Luck, you don't draft a QB in the first or second round.

Referring to past regimes drafts is meaningless. Why would Hickey draft based on Ireland's failures? That shouldn't scare him off from taking a player he believes is the BPA. Even if that turns out to be an OT or a DT.

Ask Chuck Pagano how he feels about the importance of run defense right now.

Also, there are some pretty good D-linemen in this draft who just may be graded higher than the WR's at pick 14.

> > Unfortunately Hickey is in a position where he
> > must find great talent so this team can win in
> > spite of coaching.
>
> Tough to do when your coach calls timeout to help
> Aaron Rodgers come from behind.

So we've been told. A couple hundred times.

thegreathoo Wrote:
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> DBG is undraftable. Nobody wants to see a wife
> beater, a felon, as the #1 receiver and the face
> of the franchise.

I hope you are correct about that. That's the way it *should* be, but evidence to the contrary is in all the other thugs who become millionaires in the NFL despite being involved in rapes, murders, thefts, shootings, you name it.

It is quite possible that a team will make him the face of their franchise. I just don't want it being my team.

You really cannot ignore the contributions these players contributed to the success of their respective teams in 2014....

Greg Hardy, Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, Richie Incognito...

Big fat ZERO in all categories.

And then you have.....

Tanard Jackson S WAS $730,000.00 Suspended 16 games
LaVon Brazill WR IND $588,513.00 Suspended 16 games
Daryl Washington ILB ARI $3,000,000.00 Suspended 16 games
Frank Alexander DE CAR $404,448.00 Suspended 10 games
Josh Brent DT DAL $370,588.00 Suspended 10 games
Josh Gordon WR CLE $817,481.00 Suspended 10 games
Aldon Smith OLB SF $2,422,972.00 Suspended 9 games
Andre Brown RB HOU $0.00 Suspended 8 games
Will Hill S NYG $201,176.00 Suspended 6 games
Craig Watts G SD $12,600.00 Suspended 4 games
Haloti Ngata DT BAL $2,000,000.00 Suspended 4 games
LaRon Landry S IND $1,117,646.00 Suspended 4 games
Dion Jordan DE MIA $1,102,239.00 Suspended 4 games
D.C. Jefferson TE CAR $116,705.00 Suspended 4 games
Erin Henderson ILB MIN $0.00 Suspended 4 games
Jakar Hamilton S DAL $118,666.00 Suspended 4 games
Matt Prater K DEN $897,058.00 Suspended 4 games
Donald Stephenson RT KC $171,617.00 Suspended 4 games
Reshad Jones S MIA $849,411.00 Suspended 4 games
Brian Tyms WR NE $116,470.00 Suspended 4 games
Eric Herman RT NYG $98,823.00 Suspended 4 games
Lane Johnson RT PHI $1,061,663.00 Suspended 4 games
Ace Sanders WR JAC $144,791.00 Suspended 4 games
Spencer Nealy DT MIN $98,823.00 Suspended 4 games
Rokevious Watkins G KC $123,528.00 Suspended 4 games
Jayron Hosley CB NYG $164,411.00 Suspended 4 games
Robert Mathis OLB IND $2,058,822.00 Suspended 4 games
Frank Alexander DE CAR $161,778.00 Suspended 4 games
Brandon Moore DE WAS $98,823.00 Suspended 4 games
Jake Knott ILB PHI $117,411.00 Suspended 4 games
Jerome Simpson WR MIN $223,529.00 Suspended 3 games
Da'Quan Bowers DT TB $105,972.00 Suspended 2 games
Jorvorskie Lane FB TB $58,235.00 Suspended 2 games
Wes Welker WR DEN $941,176.00 Suspended 2 games
Brandon Meriweather S WAS $100,588.00 Suspended 2 games
Orlando Scandrick CB DAL $158,823.00 Suspended 2 games
Chris Lewis-Harris CB CIN $58,235.00 Suspended 2 games
Ray Rice RB BAL $529,411.00 Suspended 2 games
Dion Jordan DE MIA $551,119.00 Suspended 2 games
Stedman Bailey WR STL $75,786.00 Suspended 2 games
Josh Gordon WR CLE $81,748.00 Suspended 1 game
Dominic Raiola C DET $73,529.00 Suspended 1 game
C.J. Mosley DT DET $91,176.00 Suspended 1 game
Dominique Davis QB TEN $0.00 Suspended 1 game
Marlon Moore WR CLE $42,941.00 Suspended 1 game
Dwayne Bowe WR KC $691,176.00 Suspended 1 game
Nigel Bradham OLB BUF $40,356.00 Suspended 1 game

thegreathoo Wrote:
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> DBG is undraftable. Nobody wants to see a wife
> beater, a felon, as the #1 receiver and the face
> of the franchise. No one wants to watch that in
> the stadium, or work along side that in any
> organization.
> Some team may draft him in the 5th and hide him
> for a year. I don't think it should or will be
> the Dolphins. Don't care for his production or
> potential and nobody should. Let him fix his life
> elsewhere.

Felon?

How is he a felon? Or a wife beater?

He had two arrests for pot as an 18/19 year old. And he was investigated for allegedly pushing a girl down 4 stairs. No charges were filed.

Now I'm not saying you don't do a thorough background check, but your comments don't match the facts.

Pot is a non issue. It's legal in some states now and will be legal on others very soon. The NFL has already relaxed the rules for testing for pot. They'll probably eliminate it all together in the next CBA.

As for the alleged assault... There were no allegations of hitting or beating anyone, let alone charges or a conviction.

You need to get your facts straight.

It's a little early for me to make that call. I need to see how they do in workouts and with a little more analysis.

McKinney is pretty tall for a 4-3 MLB. Not sure about his stack and shed ability.

I need to see how Perryman runs.

At MLB, I want a guy with a QB's work ethic that will out study everybody.

I would look at Jake Ryan from Michigan in the 2nd or 3rd round but also need to see him run. 112 tackles with 14 tackles for a loss, two sacks, two forced fumbles, one interception and three passes broken up in 2014.

Another 2-3 round prospect in the mold of Chris Borland....

Paul Dawson, ILB, TCU, Height: 5-10. Weight: 240, 128 tackles, 18.5 tackles for a loss, five sacks, two forced fumbles, five passes batted and four interceptions

I also like Jordan Tripp from Montana

I think a dominant DT or OL will pay more dividends given our current roster and I am also coming around to DGB if he passes an evaluation.

Denzel measured in at 5'10 1/2" 242 today at Senior Bowl.

So many good defensive players in this draft, so many edge players. It will be tough to decide. I hav no favorite yet and that's unusual. There is no clear need, there are no clear favorites.

Either a playmaker, or McKinney at MLB makes the most sense.