Ryan Tannehill is the starting quarterback for the Dolphins ... for now. Joe Philbin neglected to confirm that he would start the next game.


This sucker Joe Philbin doesn't even know how to stay away from a controversy.


He needs to go.

He is Cam Cameron all over again. CLULESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Part of me wants to say GOOD but then the question is 'OK, NOW what???' Matt flippin' Moore????? "It's a bad plan that can't be changed'...they left themselves pretty much nothing to change to!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/22/2014 10:50AM by KB.

Insert Matt Moore if he does great good if he does bad we get the first pick in next years draft...And Draft A QB.

Let Matt Moore air it our.....We will then have that first pick no doubt.

We can't let Moore play outright...that would be the death knell for RT's career in Miami.

Hard to bench him then let him come back if he isn't hurt because after that, every bad throw causes the fans to scream for Moore again.

Now, faking an injury to see if Moore provides a spark, not unheard of, or giving Moore a start to see if he provides a spark, and to provide RT some "motivation", not unheard of either.

Either way, I don't want to see them go there...

I'd rather have them let RT air it out and have an agressive game plan with the hurry up all game and lots of roll outs.

Ken if tannehill plays i hope they let him air it out

Im sick of him holding to the ball because he is afraid to throw int...

He needs to let it go....>Or we need to let tannehill go....

One of the two.

We went to the Matt Moore experiment in Henne's last days remember? Sure, he was great when he came in for a couple quarters and shook things up. But then when the other team planned for him...well, nobody remember that???

I'm all for TELLING Tannehill to RUN if he can and letting him air it out but, IMO I don't think it would be successful because, again IMO, his root issue is 20+ yd accuracy...he just doesn't have it, at least not consistently and thats a bad place to be in the NFL. The offense he was in in college sort of hid it...

We went to the Matt Moore experiment in Henne's last days remember? Sure, he was great when he came in for a couple quarters and shook things up. But then when the other team planned for him...well, nobody remember that???

I'm all for TELLING Tannehill to RUN if he can and letting him air it out but, IMO I don't think it would be successful because, again IMO, his root issue is 20+ yd accuracy...he just doesn't have it, at least not consistently and thats a bad place to be in the NFL. The offense he was in in college sort of hid it...

Actually, you have it backwards. When Moore first came in we were 0-4. He started slow. Lost the first three games, I believe. When he got a feel for the offense he did a bit better to end the season with a 6-3 run.

........................................

The Clown Show Continues



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All I remember is he was about even as a starter. Which is really what we have now 8-8 talent at most positions, including QB. I also remember about 1000 fumbles lol!

Don't get me wrong, I like Moore's leadership and 'IT' factor better than Henne OR Tannehill but his physical skills are not up to either of them. Seems EVERY QB we have had since Marino has either had the intangibles OR the physical skills...but NOT both.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/22/2014 12:32PM by KB.

This is about as surprising as grass growing... No wait that would be more fun to watch.

Watching grass grow WOULD be more fun than watching Philbin on the sidelines or at a press conference...almost makes me miss Sparano...almost...

This was the point of my other thread. Maybe a little job INsecurity will do wonders for Tanny like it did for Lamar Miller.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Ryan Tannehill is the starting quarterback for the
> Dolphins ... for now. Joe Philbin neglected to
> confirm that he would start the next game.
>
>
> This sucker Joe Philbin doesn't even know how to
> stay away from a controversy.
>
>
> He needs to go.
>
> He is Cam Cameron all over again.
> CLULESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



That's because Dawn Aponte didn't write it out for him on his index card.......

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

I pray that this team will start Matt Moore! We need his moxy and pocket awareness along with his catchable ball more than Tannehills rocket arm. I guarantee a solid win against the Raiders if Moore starts.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/23/2014 03:58AM by TannyDaMan.

Everybody wants to point to the 2nd and 1 pass down 6 in the 4th qtr as poor play calling.

The QBs responsibility it to look at the big hitter. If it's not there you get the first down.

On 2nd and 1 hennehill rolled away from pressure and had 10 yards of daylight. He also had a wr wide open in the middle of the field. An instinctive QB knows the situation and gets the first down. Hennehill remained locked on the worst option and threw a horrible pass out of bounds.

3rd and 1. Same thing. If your initial quick read isn't there hit your outlet man for the first. That's the #1 priority. Instead of dumping it off to a wide open Daniel Thomas for a first he locked onto the primary wr and held it until he got sacked. Instincts.

He just doesn't have it.

His #1 priority on those 2 plays is a first down. Any QB with half a brain and an iota of football instincts gets the first down.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> Everybody wants to point to the 2nd and 1 pass
> down 6 in the 4th qtr as poor play calling.
>
> The QBs responsibility it to look at the big
> hitter. If it's not there you get the first
> down.
>
> On 2nd and 1 hennehill rolled away from pressure
> and had 10 yards of daylight. He also had a wr
> wide open in the middle of the field. An
> instinctive QB knows the situation and gets the
> first down. Hennehill remained locked on the
> worst option and threw a horrible pass out of
> bounds.
>
> 3rd and 1. Same thing. If your initial quick
> read isn't there hit your outlet man for the
> first. That's the #1 priority. Instead of
> dumping it off to a wide open Daniel Thomas for a
> first he locked onto the primary wr and held it
> until he got sacked. Instincts.
>
> He just doesn't have it.
>
> His #1 priority on those 2 plays is a first down.
> Any QB with half a brain and an iota of football
> instincts gets the first down.

Well said! He has the physical just not the mental capacity needed to play QB. Start Matt Moore can't get any worse!

So let's get this straight....

After last years fiasco, you (management) decided the blame was solely on Mike Sherman and his ridiculous offense. He paid the price for an inept offense as well as a declining defense and terrible personnel acquisitions. Deservedly so, he was sent packing.

After 2 years of force feeding the go-go offense on Tannheill and wasting precious developmental time, all the while ignoring huge holes on the team (2012 WR, 2013 OL), you decide to bring in a FIRST TIME coordinator who's claim to fame is the development of Chip Kelly's prize QB.

Now it sure seems Lazor couldn't develop a roll of film at Walgreens.

The defensive coordinator is still costing us games and we are still paying the price for Ireland's big money LB contracts.

Just about every coach that Philbin has hired is failing. The WR's cannot execute the offense or catch balls. Our defense consists of a group of dominant defensive linemen and nothing else.

What the hell has Ken O'Queef (WR's coach) done? Maybe he needs to go back to college as he is yet another first timer.

What is the coaches solution to a floundering back 7? Drop our best pass rusher in coverage. Brilliant!

Look. Tannehill has his issues. Once protection breaks down he just steps forward into a non existent pocket and takes the sack. He pretty much runs into the arms of the defender. He lacks pocket awareness and now seems gun shy. Sounds like David Carr disease. He is starting to look like Drew Bledsoe in the pocket and he is too athletic for that.

It won't matter much because Tannehill was set up to fail from the beginning. Philbin will be fired and would have been in mid-season but there is not one coach on this entire team capable of taking over. That should tell you something.

End of season, Philbin and every coach will be gone. If Ross has any sense at all, he will retain Dennis Hickey and let him hire the next HC, keep Tannehill and draft/acquire a QB in 2015, fix the LB'er issue and the OG issue.

I know some people on here love the fact that Tannehill is not doing well but I find it hard to assign the majority of the blame on him when he has NEVER had a decent coaching staff.

That's just stupid. Every fan of this team wishes Tannehill would play well but he hasn't only in spurts. My take on him is he was ok with the go-go 5year old offense. He obviously is not smart enough for the 'big boy' offense.

The way I see it is the only way we salvage this season short of firing our inept coaches is. We start Moore immediately, then after we win against the Raiders we go into bye week 2-2 with return of Pouncy, Delmas and Jones, hopefully everyone will be healthy enough after bye week so we have full roster. Moore can get this team to 9-7 with our offense scheme.

TannyDaMan Wrote:
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> That's just stupid. Every fan of this team wishes
> Tannehill would play well but he hasn't only in
> spurts. My take on him is he was ok with the go-go
> 5year old offense. He obviously is not smart
> enough for the 'big boy' offense.

Yes except that some "fans" would rather be proven right in there player assessment than see the them be successful.

The fact that you call the first time coordinator and his completely new offense as the "big boy" offense shows your bias. It is an unproven offense for any QB. It is not Chip Kelly's offense. It is Bill Lazor's.

Everyone knows the WCO is one of the hardest to learn and operate in the NFL.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> TannyDaMan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That's just stupid. Every fan of this team
> wishes
> > Tannehill would play well but he hasn't only in
> > spurts. My take on him is he was ok with the
> go-go
> > 5year old offense. He obviously is not smart
> > enough for the 'big boy' offense.
>
> Yes except that some "fans" would rather be proven
> right in there player assessment than see the them
> be successful.
>
> The fact that you call the first time coordinator
> and his completely new offense as the "big boy"
> offense shows your bias. It is an unproven offense
> for any QB. It is not Chip Kelly's offense. It is
> Bill Lazor's.
>
> Everyone knows the WCO is one of the hardest to
> learn and operate in the NFL.


Yeah your right it is hard. That's why the Pro's get paid millions to learn and execute it. It is what it is he failed get over it and time to move on. I do not care who the @#$%& our QB is just give me someone who is not a rock and not afraid to throw deep and lock onto his first read.

TannyDaMan Wrote:
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> JoeFootball Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TannyDaMan Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > That's just stupid. Every fan of this team
> > wishes
> > > Tannehill would play well but he hasn't only
> in
> > > spurts. My take on him is he was ok with the
> > go-go
> > > 5year old offense. He obviously is not smart
> > > enough for the 'big boy' offense.
> >
> > Yes except that some "fans" would rather be
> proven
> > right in there player assessment than see the
> them
> > be successful.
> >
> > The fact that you call the first time
> coordinator
> > and his completely new offense as the "big boy"
> > offense shows your bias. It is an unproven
> offense
> > for any QB. It is not Chip Kelly's offense. It
> is
> > Bill Lazor's.
> >
> > Everyone knows the WCO is one of the hardest to
> > learn and operate in the NFL.
>
>
> Yeah your right it is hard. That's why the Pro's
> get paid millions to learn and execute it. It is
> what it is he failed get over it and time to move
> on. I do not care who the @#$%& our QB is just
> give me someone who is not a rock and not afraid
> to throw deep and lock onto his first read.

If anyone needs to get over anything it is you, Dopin and Dopin1 and accept that fact that Tannehill is our QB until he isn't.

Your little rant still didn't explain how Bill lazor's offense is superior.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> OK I'm going to be 100% honest here.
>
> I was fully in Philbins corner, always giving him
> the benefit of the doubt. I had my suspicions
> earlier this year when his oldest son , a soldier
> was caught DUI after hitting a pedestrian and then
> running AND lying about it. What does this have to
> do with football? It shows a huge lack of
> character. Seems all young men left in his charge
> have a huge absence of it. Look at last years free
> for all on Martin. This year you still have
> players making dumb comments and even last week
> you have high paid veterans, who should know
> better (or they just don't care) pulling 15 yd
> penalties for stupid baby shit when the Team is
> losing.
>
> Against the Bills Philbin showed a lack of
> confidence in Tanehill and the team when he quit
> late in the 2nd qtr and went crying into the
> locker room.
>
> Now you have this. Non Committal on Tannehills
> status?
>
> You have a man who is looking for a scapegoat. His
> job is on the line and he wants to blame his lack
> of leadership on someone.
>
> I cant believe I'm saying this , but I actually
> admire Rex Ryan today. While I'm not advocating
> Philbin get a #17 tattoo..... But at least
> support your players. Rex Ryan backed Sanchez
> until the very end. He gave him support and
> believed in him. Did you see that turn around last
> season by the Jets? Those men were ]inspired. They
> fought to keep Rex Ryans as their head coach.
>
> Do you really think it will be different with Matt
> Moore as the Starter? He was never drafted and has
> turned out to become a really solid backup. But
> there is a reason he never started for long
> anywhere.....INCLUDING HERE. He is a bandaid. Just
> a good plug hole if something bad happens. You are
> fooling yourselves if you believe he is a person
> to build a Team around. Your angry as fans and you
> are taking it out on the wrong person.
>
> Now lets sit back and watch the drama unfold from
> what Philbin created. I really sympathize with
> Ryan . He is a great Talent that is being wasted.
> A great opportunity for Miami is being thrown away
> by a man who has no right leading young men.
>
> I wish Ross was more in tune with what it takes to
> be a man. You could tell his lack of character
> early on when he went coach shopping before firing
> his current head coach. People said he just didn't
> know about NFL courtesy , No that's just simple
> human character! he has no clue what it takes to
> lead young men , to show character and leadership.
> he just knows numbers and how to buy low and sell
> high. (except on the Dolphins).
>
> This is really a sad day for Dolphins fans if Ross
> and Philbin don't get behind Ryan Tannehill and
> this team. If not then I just hope the team is
> sold soon and hope we get another QB close to as
> good as Tannehill.
>
> And Mark my words......we give up on Tannehill, HE
> WILL BE GREAT SOMEDAY. You can bet Belichick is
> already laughing and plotting to get his Heir
> apparent.........

Fine I won't bitch about another thing this season. I will just sit here watch the games and hope for the 1st pick overall and Jim Harbaugh as our new HC next year.

Philbin repeatedly stated he was going to field the best 46 players he has on the team (or words to that effect).

When the team arrives in London, I'll bet the QB we see will be Tannehill. No basis in fact, just speculation, figuring that Philbin will stick with what he has. He's very slow, if not dangerously slow to react to things where others would make a course change.

Tannehill has not proven he's a proficient NFL QB. Honestly, I'd like to see him become proficient, however, he's just not improving much. Is there a difference from his first year of play? In my opinion, yes, he's better. Rookie struggles are common. After two seasons plus of starts, things are still not going well in his own execution and timing. His were-with-all and lack of situational awareness makes him predictable. How often do we see opposing linemen bat down or deflect one of this passes. It happens too often. At 6'4" he should not have trouble seeing or throwing over tall linemen, but he does.

Despite Tannehill's minimal improvement, play calling sure seems like a re-play from last year. Lazor's offense is not gelling yet. Part of that may be on Lazor, part on Tannehill and part on the support players on offense who aren't executing as good as they could.

The problems with the team offensively will not be solved if Matt Moore becomes the "temporary" starter. However, starting him could possibly reveal or make it more obvious where Tannehill's shortcomings are, as well as the shortcomings of other offensive team players.

To reiterate, I don't think Philbin will start Moore. His decision to not specifically name Tannehill to start may just be an indication of how unsure he is on the subject of improving the team.

Do I think we all want to see things come together? Certainly. Being able to talk about a win is a heck of a lot more enjoyable than trying to figure out what the heck went wrong with the offense, defense, and special teams, every single week.

Why does Philbin has to name a starting QB? Didn't he already do that about 2.5 years ago?

WTH...Cam Wake gave up a TD in coverage. Does Philbin have to name a starting DE now?

Brandon Albert gave up a sack. Does he have to reiterate that he will start next week despite this?

It's just the media going on a witch hunt with JP refusing to supply the rope.

colonel Wrote:
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> Philbin repeatedly stated he was going to field
> the best 46 players he has on the team (or words
> to that effect).
>
> When the team arrives in London, I'll bet the QB
> we see will be Tannehill. No basis in fact, just
> speculation, figuring that Philbin will stick with
> what he has. He's very slow, if not dangerously
> slow to react to things where others would make a
> course change.
>
> Tannehill has not proven he's a proficient NFL QB.
> Honestly, I'd like to see him become proficient,
> however, he's just not improving much. Is there a
> difference from his first year of play? In my
> opinion, yes, he's better. Rookie struggles are
> common. After two seasons plus of starts, things
> are still not going well in his own execution and
> timing. His were-with-all and lack of situational
> awareness makes him predictable. How often do we
> see opposing linemen bat down or deflect one of
> this passes. It happens too often. At 6'4" he
> should not have trouble seeing or throwing over
> tall linemen, but he does.
>
> Despite Tannehill's minimal improvement, play
> calling sure seems like a re-play from last year.
> Lazor's offense is not gelling yet. Part of that
> may be on Lazor, part on Tannehill and part on the
> support players on offense who aren't executing as
> good as they could.
>
> The problems with the team offensively will not be
> solved if Matt Moore becomes the "temporary"
> starter. However, starting him could possibly
> reveal or make it more obvious where Tannehill's
> shortcomings are, as well as the shortcomings of
> other offensive team players.
>
> To reiterate, I don't think Philbin will start
> Moore. His decision to not specifically name
> Tannehill to start may just be an indication of
> how unsure he is on the subject of improving the
> team.
>
> Do I think we all want to see things come
> together? Certainly. Being able to talk about a
> win is a heck of a lot more enjoyable than trying
> to figure out what the heck went wrong with the
> offense, defense, and special teams, every single
> week.


Someone give this man a pussy because you sir just spouted off probably the best remark about our current situation.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/23/2014 08:21AM by TannyDaMan.

One of the disturbing things about Tannehill is that with all the problems last year and all the sacks, he seems no more adept this year at knowing how to handle the breakdown in his protection.
You'd think that experience alone would have taught him from last year.

Ken Wrote:
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> We can't let Moore play outright...that would be
> the death knell for RT's career in Miami.
>
> Hard to bench him then let him come back if he
> isn't hurt because after that, every bad throw
> causes the fans to scream for Moore again.
>
> Now, faking an injury to see if Moore provides a
> spark, not unheard of, or giving Moore a start to
> see if he provides a spark, and to provide RT some
> "motivation", not unheard of either.
>
> Either way, I don't want to see them go there...
>
> I'd rather have them let RT air it out and have an
> agressive game plan with the hurry up all game and
> lots of roll outs.

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IMO, RT is starting vs Oakland.

If he plays well, good. If he doesn't, Miami now has the bye week to either fix RT or start Moore for the rest of the season.

Lazor indicates that RT will be starting.

Speaking of Lazor...what has happened to that "hurry up" offense he was supposed to have brought with him? Is it not being utilized because Philbin is not allowing it? What could possibly be the "real" reason?

You mentioned roll outs. RT normally is right on the money when he rolls out...I saw a hi lite where he rolled out and missed Wallace by a wide margin (threw it over his head and out of bounds). Is RT pressing?