jsm08 Wrote:
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> Well, I'm looking at your numbers for Russell
> Wilson who runs the read option mainly. I'm
> looking at the great number of plays between 21
> and 30 yards and the 528 yards he passed for in
> that range
>
> except that he doesn't and it was shoved down your
> throat incessantly earlier this year yet you're
> still going with that argument? why? you're a
> longwinded blowhard know it all.
>
> you also made some snide remark about me making a
> negative comment. Does making negative comments
> give you some sort of board credibility? Is that
> what the cool guys are doing these days?
>
> I'm not a cheerleader and point out problems. I
> don't go out of my way to knitpick every play of
> every game to try to impress others. I also don't
> act like a knee jerk 15 yr old girl after every
> game.
>
> Tannehill has his shortcomings. No one denies
> that but he was a 2nd year QB that carried this
> offense.
>
> so go suck off Russell Wilson and his "read
> option" offense even though it was only a very
> very small faction of their west coast offense.

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Ease up, jsm08.

This is a board for people's opinions and it is fun.

We all have our thoughts about how we think the Fins should be run and how the players are performing (or not performing).

No harm done, until someone makes remarks that are unnecessary.

You disagree with someone, fine, disagree, but don't slam our posters for what they say, or say repeatedly. It's not just you.

It's just their opinion, just like this post is my opinion.

dolphin Wrote:
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> The coaches the players the fans have all said
> that the deep ball needs work, but some of you
> still want to think all is ok....really amazing.
>
> You can either throw it or you can't and Tannehill
> cannot.
>
> He throws the ball too flat.

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He can't be coached and practice it?

eesti Wrote:
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> No GM worth his salt is dumping Tannehill. Why?
> because they are not butt-hurt, knee jerk
> reaction, fans that missed the playoffs. They look
> a little deeper into talent evaluation.
>
> Wallace is terrible at getting to the ball. I saw
> it all year and I saw it recently vs NY. The fact
> that he owns up to it is a testament to his
> professionalism. That should be a plus.
>
> Tannehill has his shortcomings. No one denies that
> but he was a 2nd year QB that carried this
> offense.
>
> This

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Just a question guys....does Wallace's running style look odd to you? That long one that did not connect looked like the top half of his body was turned sideways while reaching out for the ball. Was it just me?

Well, Cap, I've seen Wallace drop (or miss really) one long ball at the end of one game in which had he made it, we would have had a chance to go into overtime.

But I, speaking for myself, am not saying that Tanny doesn't have the strength and that's why he cannot throw the long ball.

Quite to the contrary, I believe he can throw the ball out of the stadium from the opposite one yard line.

He just can't CONTROL those throws, vertically.

Horizontally he's fine. I've never seen him throw the ball wide left or wide right. I've seen him throw too long or too short.

He throws it too short when he's trying to take heat off the ball and does not accurately judge how much to take off.

I want all the tape keepers to go back through the games and tell me if I'm wrong.

The tape keepers that is, not the stat geeks.

Wallace took some blame for the QB , but the throws were Tannehill's. Next year will be critical to see if he improves in this area, or is just a more mobile Henne

Wallace is basically a deep threat but he is real quick when getting the ball in the open field that did open things up for other receivers. if we had only drafted Cordarrallee Patterson

jlyell, Keenan Allen went in the third round. We'll see how he'll play against Cincy. He did good against what ever string he played against at KC.

I'll be following San Diego to see how we would have performed in the playoffs.

We would have played Cincy and we already beat them this year.

RT made quite a lot of progress this season as a quarterback. He's much improved from last year. This is what I personally look for when it comes to young players...do they show improvement over time.

That said, he still has work to do and that's a good thing, if he ever stops trying to improve his game then we'll know he's past his sell by date. Until he either tops out his game or stops trying he's doing all I can ask of him. I for one think he'll be much better next season.

Don't forget that he's a second year player that just put in a top ten performance under extremely adverse circumstances. Imagine what he'd be capable of with an O-Line that blocks effectively for the pass as well as the run allowing his sacks to be halfed, and allowing Miller and Thomas to average 4+ YPC along with a defense that gets him the ball back quickly.

Just how many years now have we on this site been screaming for a top ten QB? Its amaizing that we finally get one...and so many are bagging on him and ready to throw in the towel over stuff he can rectify through practice.

You can't say RT is a top ten QB. By QB rating he's 34th in the league this year.

I would feel a lot better RT had finished the season with two solid games instead of two stinkers. I am not ready to dump RT but it would be wise to pick up a QB prospect in the next draft... To push RT ... And in case RT doesn't progress. However, the focus of Miami's draft needs to be other positions, especially the O Line. Back to Wallace....

Wallace has dropped some passes, yes.... but he's got open deep and RT has missed him too often. Point being that Wallace is doing what Miami drafted him for....stretch the field and be a long ball threat. He was never a guy that was known to fight for the ball or give up his body. Of course he can improve... but he's not the main problem IMO.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> FinFanNo.1 is saying in every detail what I am
> saying.
>
> I too see his improvement from when he started as
> a rookie.
>
> But there is also such a thing as leveling off
> after growth.
>
> Tanny has leveled off.
>
> FF1 is making a point that you guys are in denial
> about.
>
> Throwing the long ball is not just a matter of
> strength. Tanny has the arm strength to throw the
> ball out of the opposite stadium walls from the
> one yard line.
>
> Throwing the long ball is not JUST a matter of
> accuracy. Tanny could hit a bullseye from 60
> yards................
>
> but that's a STATIONARY target. Throwing the long
> ball takes a combination of judging the speed of
> the receiver, his direction, and matching the
> proper arc so that the ball hits the receiver in
> stride and does not OVERthrow or UNDERthrow him.
> That's a completely different skill.
>
> In the Jets game, where Tanny had all the time in
> the world, he just couldn't do it.

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Chryen, RT has NOT leveled off.

Get a good line in front of him that will give him some time to set and read and see what he can do. Once that happens, THEN judge him as to whether or not he has leveled off. But right now, I would say he still has upside, and the off season (and good OL) will help him get there.

Yes, he has under and over thrown his receivers (mostly Wallace). The improvement I saw? He started to OVERTHROW Wallace. To me, that is a good thing...no interceptions. BTW, many QBs miss their receivers going deep, including Wallace's old QB, Big Ben. And yes, I am sure you will come back that RT misses more than anyone else.

I said earlier that RT didn't have a good game vs the Jets. But all the time in the world? I mentioned where there was one play where he had more time than I had seen him have ALL season and he didn't connect. It's not that he missed, its the damn receivers didn't break away and get open for him. If you think about it, that has been a problem all year.

I'm sure I don't have to remind you, but he has hit receivers down field and they have dropped the ball; quite often in critical situations and sometimes when there was absolutely no one around the receiver.

It's a team effort, Chreyn. Again, give him some protection and let's see what he does. If he remains the same or digresses, then I will get on your RT bandwagon.

Well, we'll see. I flipped in only one game. After Buffalo, I was still a Tanny believer. But Buffalo has a tremendous pass rush. Can't say the same of the Jesters and in fact, I disagree, I saw very little pressure at all. Maybe I was just seeing what I wanted to see but that's what I saw.