If the season ended today....

1 Houston
2 Washington
3 Atlanta
4 Min
5 TB
6 Oak
7 Jax
8 Cle
9 Buf
10 Ten
11 STL
12 Pit
13 NYG
14 SD
15 NYJ

4 of the top (playoff) teams from last year are 1-2-3-4. Wow. Who woulda thought Houston would tank so bad?

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eesti Wrote:
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> If the season ended today....
>
> 1 Houston
> 2 Washington
> 3 Atlanta
> 4 Min
> 5 TB
> 6 Oak
> 7 Jax
> 8 Cle
> 9 Buf
> 10 Ten
> 11 STL
> 12 Pit
> 13 NYG
> 14 SD
> 15 NYJ
>
> 4 of the top (playoff) teams from last year are
> 1-2-3-4. Wow. Who woulda thought Houston would
> tank so bad?


Never saw Houston's implosion coming. but they will turn it around fast. New HC, and Teddy Bridgewater as their new franchise QB and they won't suck for long.


Washington has to send their pick to St. Louis.

Yeah, our damn Fins are blowing it for the draft in hopes of improving the team.

Damn...STL is going to be stacked again in the first round.

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eesti Wrote:
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> Damn...STL is going to be stacked again in the
> first round.

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There should be a moratorium on how many times straight a team can draft in the top 5.

I used to really think it mattered if we picked high in the first. but frankly the way we draft, and the way the draft goes generally, we're probably no worse off picking in the upper teens or lower 20s

hopefully we get a nice comp pick for losing jake long, though the league will probably award it to the patriots under their secret "system"

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

eesti Wrote:
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> If the season ended today....
>
> 1 Houston
> 2 Washington
> 3 Atlanta
> 4 Min
> 5 TB
> 6 Oak
> 7 Jax
> 8 Cle
> 9 Buf
> 10 Ten
> 11 STL
> 12 Pit
> 13 NYG
> 14 SD
> 15 NYJ
>
> 4 of the top (playoff) teams from last year are
> 1-2-3-4. Wow. Who woulda thought Houston would
> tank so bad?

Reason #46 why I don't gamble........I picked Houston/Atlanta as my Super Bowl teams........

And, we will remind you of that from time to time.

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The Clown Show Continues



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berkeley223 Wrote:

> hopefully we get a nice comp pick for losing jake
> long, though the league will probably award it to
> the patriots under their secret "system"

I think we signed too many FAs to offset the loss of soLong.

But yea, the cheats will find a way to sleeze some free draft capital -- they always do.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> eesti Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If the season ended today....
> >
> > 1 Houston
> > 2 Washington
> > 3 Atlanta
> > 4 Min
> > 5 TB
> > 6 Oak
> > 7 Jax
> > 8 Cle
> > 9 Buf
> > 10 Ten
> > 11 STL
> > 12 Pit
> > 13 NYG
> > 14 SD
> > 15 NYJ
> >
> > 4 of the top (playoff) teams from last year are
> > 1-2-3-4. Wow. Who woulda thought Houston would
> > tank so bad?
>
>
> Never saw Houston's implosion coming. but they
> will turn it around fast. New HC, and Teddy
> Bridgewater as their new franchise QB and they
> won't suck for long.

Schaub wasn't that good so what gives? What happened to their defense? got rid of too many edge rushers I guess. Williams/Barwin

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I think momentum and attitude play a huge part in how the season goes...and they play off of one another. Neither of those teams (HOU/ATL) have a guy like Manning, Brady, Ray Lewis, Brees, etc. who is going to lead the team through a patch and help them regain the right attitude. So, when the season goes to pot...it just does.

I hadn't even heard Kubiak was fired. Wow.

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Atlanta had some older starters that are declining plus they have had a hideous number of injuries. Also, they their oline and defense were concerns before the season.

Texans had some injuries, bad luck, poor QB play, and now it's just momentum.

I do not want a Top 15 Pick ever again. Unless we traded up. Plenty of Gold in them later rounds if you pick smart.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

we seem to be in a bad spot whenever we draft high. never seems to be the total stud in the spot.

we had number 1, no true number one QB like every other year.

so true.

Ronnie brown 2nd overall?

holy smokes.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> so true.
>
> Ronnie brown 2nd overall?
>
> holy smokes.

Look at the rest of that draft. Alex Smith. Breylon Edwards. It was a horrible draft up top.

I liked last year's draft. The only problem is that except for Sturgis and an occasional appearance by Dion Sims, they simply don't see the field. I mean you don't have to make them all the times starters but you should see, for example, Gillessiee on about 10 plays a game.

This coaching staff philosophy seems to be, unless a starter is hurt, the guy behind him doesn't play.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> I liked last year's draft. The only problem is
> that except for Sturgis and an occasional
> appearance by Dion Sims, they simply don't see the
> field. I mean you don't have to make them all the
> times starters but you should see, for example,
> Gillessiee on about 10 plays a game.

No he shouldn't. He's a fifth rounder and he's entitled to zero PT. Coaches have seen enough to know that Gillislee either a) isn't ready or b) isn't as good as Thomas and Miller or c) both.

> This coaching staff philosophy seems to be, unless
> a starter is hurt, the guy behind him doesn't
> play.

Injuries from the rookies also play into this.

Players playing in front of the rookies-

Jordan- wake(all pro caliber) and vernon(pro bowl caliber). Also dealt with an injury and missed OTA because of school.

Taylor and Davis- grimes(pro bowl caliber), peterson(very good when healthy), carroll(above average), wilson(above average). Also both have dealt with injuries.

Thomas- so he's disappointing. But I hear they are playing him exclusively at RT to take over for Clabo next year. Yet to be seen if this is a smart move.

Everyone else is after the third round thus not really expected to get any PT. Although Sims, Jones, Sturgis, and Jenkins have all seen the field with varying degrees of success.

Very good analysis 402 but take Gillessee for example. He's a running back. We need to see him at least 5 to 10 plays a game. 5th round? Who cares. Brady was 6th round. That's an exaggerated example but our running game seems not to be ....shall we say....superior. Lamar needs holes because if our sucky oline doesn't help, he gets knocked down.

danny thomas sucked last year but on rare occasions this year has shown sparks. I'd like to see Gillessee and see enough of him to at least know what we got. I mean we're not the Denver Broncos or the KC Chiefs and have only lost 2 or 3 games all year. The preseason is not the only time to test players.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Very good analysis 402 but take Gillessee for
> example. He's a running back. We need to see him
> at least 5 to 10 plays a game. 5th round? Who
> cares. Brady was 6th round. That's an
> exaggerated example but our running game seems not
> to be ....shall we say....superior. Lamar needs
> holes because if our sucky oline doesn't help, he
> gets knocked down.

> danny thomas sucked last year but on rare
> occasions this year has shown sparks. I'd like
> to see Gillessee and see enough of him to at least
> know what we got. I mean we're not the Denver
> Broncos or the KC Chiefs and have only lost 2 or 3
> games all year. The preseason is not the only
> time to test players.


Thank you and you make a good point. With the run game being underwhelming, it would be nice to see what Gillislee could bring to the table. I do think the poor run game falls mostly, not all, but mostly on the Oline play.

In this instance, I think you just have to trust the coaching. And I know you don't hold Philbin in high regard.

Let me ask you this, if Gillislee redshirts this season then comes in next year and makes some nice contributions as the RB2, would you blame Philbin for not playing him this year(possibly passing up potential production this season) or praise Philbin for developing him slowly(possibly coaching him up) and letting him become acclimated to the offense and the NFL?

Praise for Philbin? LOL

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phinsfan402 Wrote:
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>
> Thank you and you make a good point. With the run
> game being underwhelming, it would be nice to see
> what Gillislee could bring to the table. I do
> think the poor run game falls mostly, not all, but
> mostly on the Oline play.
>
> In this instance, I think you just have to trust
> the coaching. And I know you don't hold Philbin
> in high regard.
>
> Let me ask you this, if Gillislee redshirts this
> season then comes in next year and makes some nice
> contributions as the RB2, would you blame Philbin
> for not playing him this year(possibly passing up
> potential production this season) or praise
> Philbin for developing him slowly(possibly
> coaching him up) and letting him become acclimated
> to the offense and the NFL?

If he plays great under those circumstances, you might make the case that he was slowly developed AND HE HAD TO BE OTHERWISE HE WOULD HAVE BUSTED but how would you know?...I mean PARTICULARLY since you did not give him sufficient playing time?

Basically, my opinion is that good coaches know what their talent is, young or old and utilize that talent to the max as soon as possible. Only teams that are dominant and basically winning all their games like Denver or KC this year, have the luxury of the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Every since Dan Marino, who replaced David Woodley in the second game of his rookie year, the NFL has followed the trend of play em at their level of performance.

Yes, you must wait until that performance is sufficient but there is nothing wrong with game time experimentation to find that out.


We suck. We can't afford to have good talent sit on the bench.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> If he plays great under those circumstances, you
> might make the case that he was slowly developed
> AND HE HAD TO BE OTHERWISE HE WOULD HAVE BUSTED
> but how would you know?...I mean PARTICULARLY
> since you did not give him sufficient playing
> time?

Right, it can be very difficult to judge a HC because we are privy to a small amount of information. Basically three and a half hours a week, gameday, when these guys are putting in 40 hours a week at the team facilities.

> Basically, my opinion is that good coaches know
> what their talent is, young or old and utilize
> that talent to the max as soon as possible. Only
> teams that are dominant and basically winning all
> their games like Denver or KC this year, have the
> luxury of the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
>
> Every since Dan Marino, who replaced David Woodley
> in the second game of his rookie year, the NFL has
> followed the trend of play em at their level of
> performance.
>
> Yes, you must wait until that performance is
> sufficient but there is nothing wrong with game
> time experimentation to find that out.
>
>
> We suck. We can't afford to have good talent sit
> on the bench.

But who says Gillislee is good talent? What makes him a better talent than Thomas and Miller? Maybe the coaches are helping the team by not playing an inexperienced 5th round rookie. Or maybe they truly are leaving talent on the bench.

We just can't know that with the limited information available to us. This is why it's so difficult to judge a HC beyond their W and L record.

phinsfan402 Wrote:
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> But who says Gillislee is good talent?

Not me but I sure would like to find out and in a real game time situation instead of just pre season.

> What makes
> him a better talent than Thomas and Miller?

Again, I don't know one way or the other. But I haven't been given an opportunity to find out.


> Maybe
> the coaches are helping the team by not playing an
> inexperienced 5th round rookie. Or maybe they
> truly are leaving talent on the bench.


That's the question but if at the beginning of the year they had started giving him steadily about 10 odd rushing attempts a game and if in mid season, that number went down, that would tell me something.

But if on the other hand, he started performing like Clay did last week, then again you'd know what you have.


>
> We just can't know that with the limited
> information available to us.

And I say that playing time is the only way to get that info. Playing time will tell if he is really only worth his draft status or whether you got lucky.


> This is why it's so
> difficult to judge a HC beyond their W and L
> record.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> And I say that playing time is the only way to get
> that info. Playing time will tell if he is really
> only worth his draft status or whether you got
> lucky.

PT in games is the only way for US to know. The coaches would have a pretty good idea already from practices, meetings, etc.

I'm not against playing Gillislee, but at this point in the season it's probably too late and too big of a risk with the playoffs on the line.

Also, the coaches wanted to give plenty of snaps to Thomas and Miller because at the beginning of the season it was unclear what we had with them and it remains unclear because of the poor run blocking for most of the season.

was that the beebee who played for the bills who i hated so much?