That went screaming off track......

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

It's going to go off track, Treasure when people cannot argue with each other without resorting to insults. When you get labelled a "fool" for a position that even at the beginning of the thread, the original poster said, "there are two" ways of looking at this.

It's the same kind of mentality, when discussing Matt Moore, says "Moore stinks."

Just because you don't know how to use the English language, there is no reason to post extreme comments that have always called for a fight in our language.

And being a lawyer, there is no one more ready for a fight than me.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Ross doesnt secure interest free loans from the
> NFL unless, he can secure some public financing
> and it sets a precedence the NFL wants wiped off
> the map... Owners paying for stadiums is not part
> of their future business plans.. I personally
> disagree, but of course it is good business for
> the NFL to bully the public and owners around... I
> honestly dont think the money is worth it to ROss,
> but he has to be a good new owner and fall in
> line... I think that is partially why he has
> announced giving away all of this money to
> everybody since the stadium deal went south... He
> wants people to get the perception that if it was
> up to him he would do it without public financing,
> but it isn't... It is about the NFL and his fellow
> owners... And they do not want him to pay for
> it...


Aren't these the same poor owners were on the verge of despair and bankruptcy during the lockout?

Ross isnt making money on the Dolphins if that is what you mean.....

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
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Na, just like bustin your onions about the lockout whenever possible

Between the unions and the owners I support the owners, between the owners and the tax payers I support the tax payers... It is a pretty clear difference IMO...I dont blindly support the owners, my opinions on the matters are based on my personal principles not one side or another exclusively..

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
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TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Cerabino: $200M donation to college alma mater may
> prove costly to Dolphins owner on stadium redo
>
> You need to register with the Palm beach Post to
> get the rest , but you get the idea of what it
> says.
>
>
>
> I think it’s safe to say the quest by Palm Beach
> billionaire Stephen Ross to get public financing
> for the renovations to his South Florida football
> stadium was dealt a severe blow this week.
>
> Ross, who had spent much of the year lobbying for
> public funds to share the costs of a $350 million
> upgrade to his Miami Dolphins’ Sun Life Stadium,
> announced on Wednesday that he would be donating
> $200 million to his alma mater, the University of
> Michigan.
>
> It was a dumb move to make publically at this date
> and time. This will effect getting any public
> funding, that equals no renovations, that equals
> no Superbowls Miami. Ross let himself get stuck
> between a Rock and a Hard Place between the South
> Floridian public and the NFL. That's just not
> smart business, bad timing and adds to his already
> Poor public relations down here.

I dont think Ross is worried about getting a stadium deal done.

He's 73. By the time he gets a second shot at that, he'll be in his late 70's, if he's even still walking this planet.

If I were him, I wouldn't let the stadium funding situation drive the cart when it comes to how I live the remaining years of my life.

That ship has sailed. Its going to be up to the NEXT owner to get a deal done or move the team. Ross is just going to enjoy owning the team while he has it, but he's not going to let the possibility there could be a deal to be made in 5+ years rule his life. At least I wouldn't.

People in S.Florida need to get over it. Their officials said no to Ross' deal. The NFL said no to him financing it himself.

That is now a dead deal. If Ross wants to give $200M to his school and $2b to Bill Gates charity, then more power to him. Its his money, its his life. People need to stop acting like he owes them something.

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THE Truth Wrote:
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> >
> People in S.Florida need to get over it. Their
> officials said no to Ross' deal. The NFL said
> no to him financing it himself.
>
> That is now a dead deal. If Ross wants to give
> $200M to his school and $2b to Bill Gates charity,
> then more power to him. Its his money, its his
> life. People need to stop acting like he owes
> them something.



You can act like that when you ARE Bill Gates ,and retired. You want to do what you want , act like you want , then you need to sell the team and retire. That's what Wayne Huizengia did. Owning a Football team is hard work. You need to make sacrifices if you want 80,000 people coming out to the games and spending money they can't afford. You can't accomplish that showing how incredibly wealthy you are by making donations that whole cities/counties here in South Florida can't afford.

Everything you said above is true. Its his money , his ball club , but when you own a franchise like the Miami Dolphins your decisions effect everyone. You don't like it , then you need to sell it to someone who cares. Joe Robbie was a testament to this community . He will tell you that.

Buying the Miami Dolphins was a huge mistake for Mr Ross. He has had nothing but problems, bad decisions and bad press. But he doesn't help himself . Of course he has the right to spend his money as he sees fit. I just hope if he continues to do just that , he also sells the Team soon. Its not worth what he paid so he won't mind losing another $100 million or so right?

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> > People in S.Florida need to get over it.
> Their
> > officials said no to Ross' deal. The NFL
> said
> > no to him financing it himself.
> >
> > That is now a dead deal. If Ross wants to give
> > $200M to his school and $2b to Bill Gates
> charity,
> > then more power to him. Its his money, its his
> > life. People need to stop acting like he owes
> > them something.
>
>
>
> You can act like that when you ARE Bill Gates ,and
> retired. You want to do what you want , act like
> you want , then you need to sell the team and
> retire. That's what Wayne Huizengia did. Owning a
> Football team is hard work.


Where did I suggest that he'd given up on running the franchise or trying to win a Super Bowl?

I think that's exactly what his focus is. What I'm saying is that because of his age, and the results of his first attempt to get local assistance in the upgrade, that I think he's put the idea of upgrading the facility on the shelf for the next owner to deal with.



> You need to make
> sacrifices if you want 80,000 people coming out to
> the games and spending money they can't afford.


He's made PLENTY of sacrifices for the fans.

He's poured tons of his own money, far more than all but a few of his fellow owners, into bringing in players and into buying unsold seats to avoid blackouts so the local fans can watch for free what they aren't paying to see live.




> You can't accomplish that showing how incredibly
> wealthy you are by making donations that whole
> cities/counties here in South Florida can't
> afford.


Sorry, but that is just penis envy. Or in this case, wallet envy.

This is america. Its his money. He can do what he wants with it. He offered S.Florida a partnership which they declined.
He has every right to give his money to whomever he wants.

If the residents of S. Florida can't get past a wealthy man giving money to charities and not to them, then they have serious issues and probably don't deserve an NFL franchise.



>
> Everything you said above is true. Its his money ,
> his ball club , but when you own a franchise like
> the Miami Dolphins your decisions effect everyone.
> You don't like it , then you need to sell it to
> someone who cares. Joe Robbie was a testament to
> this community . He will tell you that.




Joe Robbie owned the team in an ENTIRELY different era. The options for self financing don't exist today.

ESPECIALLY for a newbie owner.




>
> Buying the Miami Dolphins was a huge mistake for
> Mr Ross. He has had nothing but problems, bad
> decisions and bad press. But he doesn't help
> himself . Of course he has the right to spend his
> money as he sees fit. I just hope if he continues
> to do just that , he also sells the Team soon. Its
> not worth what he paid so he won't mind losing
> another $100 million or so right?



It was his dream to own the team. He's a fan. he's going to keep it so long as its fun or he thinks he can win a championship.

But like I said he's 73. He won't be around forever. I just hope he remains willing to pour his own money into the team while he's here. After that, winning will fix all his other issues with local fans.

dolphaholic Wrote:
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>
> Wasn't Joe Robbie known as a notoriously cheap
> owner?


Yes, he had a reputation for being cheap. Especially with player's salaries. That's one reason for the whole WFL thing. But sometimes he did open up the checkbook, when he felt he had to, such as signing Earl Morrall at Shula's pleading. I can't find the details now but Earl's pay was something like 90-100K which was astronomical at the time for a backup QB. Boy did that pay off.

But Robbie also had vision, and balls. Fed up with dealing with the city of Miami (where the Orange Bowl was located), he bought some vacant land in unincorporated Dade County and built the stadium with his own money. He didn't simply write a check though, he risked everything. Put his house and everything he had up for collateral to make it happen.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> .


What happened here? Did you think better of it?

LMAO. LIke i said on the other thread..............You needed to read that didnt you......You can't take what people say behind your back can't ya?

LMAO hah

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> LMAO. LIke i said on the other
> thread..............You needed to read that didnt
> you......You can't take what people say behind
> your back can't ya?
>
> LMAO hah


What a juvenile child you are. Somehow, it's human nature that we Americans think that people with character flaws we see here somehow don't exist in other cultures. But you are proof that they raise childish people in Cuba just like here in America.

Ending this thread on a good note, by Truth's post which was actually on topic.

Thank you TCPF and Truth and the others who skillfully debated this topic.

I'm ending this discussion because both sides have made their points, eloquently, and repeatedly.

Oh and because there's also a separate pissing contest going on that has nothing to do with the topic.


When I have more than one good reason to close a thread, it's time to close the thread.