Samuda is one of Philbins pet projects and no way he's not on the roster.

I hope (and pray) Gillisee hangs on, if for nothing else, I don't wanna listen to the Bess crowd crying again.

There is no way we go into season with only 8 onlinmen.

It will be 9 or 10.

And I don't think we carry 6 cb and 4 safeties.

But that is just my guess.

Well then we keep Garner and Samuda but have to cut Carroll or Marshall? and possibly Jimmy Wilson.

Personally I don't care if we keep Wilson or Carroll but would rather have Marshall at the nickle than Samuda at backup G.

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Egnew - replace w/ Yeatman who can play o-line and be a blocking TE.

Gillislee - Makes team, 4 backs would be a luxury we would have 2 afford
V Martin - Makes team, see above same w/ d-linemen


Tyms Okpalaugo D Jones - practice squad

Eesti- Did I misunderstand something or just a typo? You have Thigpen listed as one of the 6 WR's you keep.. But THigpen is a RB/special teams returner? WHy do you have him taking a WR spot?

I agree with Truth we are likely to carry 9 maybe ten linemen... Not sure if we keep 4 safeties or an extra CB... For instance if Jimmy Wilson is safety number 4 we could keep him. Because he has position flexibility and is a ST stand out... So those last couple spots in my mind should be dictated by special teams contributions and stand outs...

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mizzou15 Wrote:
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> Egnew - replace w/ Yeatman who can play o-line and
> be a blocking TE.


From everything I've read this off-season, yeatman is closing in on 300 lbs and his days as a TE are over mizzou.

can anybody confirm samuda has played like crap so far in pre season...I saw him get beat twice.

Wow Yeatman does not look 300lbs. One site had him at 315. He looks lean. I would still give him the edge and uilize him as a blocking TE. Blocking has never been Keller's srongpoint.

Cut/trade Thomas not Gilly

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Eesti- Did I misunderstand something or just a
> typo? You have Thigpen listed as one of the 6 WR's
> you keep.. But THigpen is a RB/special teams
> returner? WHy do you have him taking a WR spot?


From the reports I have been reading, he has been getting all his snaps as a slot receiver and none as a running back. He actually played the slot last year when Bess was injured.

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eesti Wrote:
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> From the reports I have been reading, he has been
> getting all his snaps as a slot receiver and none
> as a running back. He actually played the slot
> last year when Bess was injured.

Got ya, thanks for update I had not seen those reports of him playing WR. And only see him listed on the teams roster/ depth chart as a RB and returner..

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> eesti Wrote:
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>
> > From the reports I have been reading, he has
> been
> > getting all his snaps as a slot receiver and
> none
> > as a running back. He actually played the slot
> > last year when Bess was injured.
>
> Got ya, thanks for update I had not seen those
> reports of him playing WR. And only see him listed
> on the teams roster/ depth chart as a RB and
> returner..


There was a report that they moved him back to WR after Binns got hurt.

With as much talent we have this year at the TEnd spot i doubt egnew makes it.

Will gray replace Thomas and we will cut or trade him?

Rodriguez Javorskie Lane?

WR Wallace, Hartline, Gibson, Matthews, & ???

Fuller? Davis? Pruitt? Bumphis?

we are not keeping a FB, clay can play there and TE. so lane and rordrguez are goen

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> we are not keeping a FB, clay can play there and
> TE. so lane and rordrguez are goen


I wish we would..... lane has just too much talent to be let go.....He might have a chance now that keller is gone.......

I know its two different positions from kellers to lanes but still.

Now there is another position open..

Watch lane go to new england and become great if we let him go.

I hope thats not the case.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
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> > we are not keeping a FB, clay can play there
> and
> > TE. so lane and rordrguez are goen
>
>
> I wish we would..... lane has just too much talent
> to be let go.....He might have a chance now that
> keller is gone.......
>
> I know its two different positions from kellers to
> lanes but still.
>
> Now there is another position open..
>
> Watch lane go to new england and become great if
> we let him go.
>
> I hope thats not the case.


I don't have the high opinion of Lane that you do Sam, but you are right.

Keller's injury opens a spot that could go to a FB or 6th WR.

Truth lane did show a lot of promise last year!

We need a FB Lane is the best on our roster. I think it would have been a mistake to depend on Clay. Now w/ Keller down I think we keep Lane and that is a good move. Last year Lane appeared to be more solution than a problem.

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> We need a FB Lane is the best on our roster. I
> think it would have been a mistake to depend on
> Clay. Now w/ Keller down I think we keep Lane and
> that is a good move. Last year Lane appeared to be
> more solution than a problem.


This offense needs a FB in the Roger Craig mold, who can block and catch the ball really well.

We don't really have on on the roster. The closest skill set we have to that ideal is Clay and Rodriguez.

Lane is a blocker. Philbin has already shown he's not a fan of players with partial skill sets for what his offense asks of them.

We might keep a FB now that Keller is hurt but its going to depend on what is available on the waiver wire once cuts start happening. Could be we just keep a 6th wr like Tyms.

The Roger Craig type FB has not existed in years. Only 2/3 fbacks have caught more than 25 passes in a season in the past 5 years. One of them was V Leach who we had a chance to sign and passed up. Philbin's fb in GB was not a pass catcher. Today you need a fullback to help open and widen the running seams, get the 1or2 yard pick up consistently and then catch. The first 2 items are the priority and Lane does that. Rodriguez looks like he can but Lane appears to be more advance out of the 2.

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> Today
> you need a fullback to help open and widen the
> running seams, get the 1or2 yard pick up
> consistently and then catch.


That depends entirely on what type of offense you run.

In the west coast offense a block first FB is a luxury, not a necessity. Your TE's and H-Back's serve as lead blocker in most cases. That's why Vonta leach isn't here.

Until Keller got hurt, we weren't going to carry a FB who couldn't hurt a team catching the ball also. Now its a possibility because Clay needs to play more TE.

I see what you are saying. I feel safer w/ Leach at FB than Clay. I think Leach is a better blocker and carries more punch on short yardage. Craig was as excellent a blocker as he was a receiver. We are talking about perhaps the most overall talented fb in the history of the game.

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> I see what you are saying. I feel safer w/ Leach
> at FB than Clay. I think Leach is a better blocker
> and carries more punch on short yardage. Craig was
> as excellent a blocker as he was a receiver. We
> are talking about perhaps the most overall
> talented fb in the history of the game.


Very true. He was a unique player.

Its amazing how one injury changes the entire dynamic of who you keep and why.

Damn... I really wish we hadn't lost Keller.

So we need a FB like the record setting, once in a lifetime type of player who set NFL records as a halfback playing fullback?

I'm on board with that one.

Seriously, I don't think Craig (6'-0" 220) was ever a typical FB. The 49ers were running a two back set where each player was basically a halfback. They did not employ the true fullback until Tom Rathman came aboard in 86.

We could do the same with Miller and Thomas in the backfield....if only one of them had the ability of Craig.

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