I sure hope this kid isn't a great athlete "Eye candy" type player to scouts that just doesn't have what it takes to be a NFL QB decision making & execution wise.

I seem to remember Marino coming in and tearing it up right away, but then we didn't scrutinize things like we do today!

Tannehill threw three interceptions to defensive backs (two to Will Davis and one to Brent Grimes) and then had another ball tipped at the line of scrimmage, which Kheeston Randall intercepted and then fumbled away. So four interceptions on the day for Tannehill.

"Frustrated by today," Tannehill said. "It wasn't a very good day. It was frustrating. But I'm definitely moving in the right direction if you take out today. Frustrated with the day but we'll go back and make the corrections and go forward."

Oh -- OK BNF. You're just TOTALLY FREAKING PSYCHIC!!!!!

No. Just really observant.

jlyell13 Wrote:
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>
>
> I seem to remember Marino coming in and tearing it
> up right away, but then we didn't scrutinize
> things like we do today!




LOL. Dan Marino stepped out of college and on to a Superbowl caliber Team. That's like Ryan Tannihill being drafted to the San Francisco 49ers last season. Not a fair comparison. Relax. Let the guy get settled a bit. He's a great athlete and smart as heck. Great instincts. Ryan will kill it and grill it. Wait and see.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> jlyell13 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> >
> >
> > I seem to remember Marino coming in and tearing
> it
> > up right away, but then we didn't scrutinize
> > things like we do today!
>
>
>
>
> LOL. Dan Marino stepped out of college and on to a
> Superbowl caliber Team. That's like Ryan Tannihill
> being drafted to the San Francisco 49ers last
> season. Not a fair comparison. Relax. Let the
> guy get settled a bit. He's a great athlete and
> smart as heck. Great instincts. Ryan will kill it
> and grill it. Wait and see.

Well, they did play in that 'strike-bowl' the year before, but they lost by in large because they couldn't throw the ball (didn't complete a single pass in the 2nd half). jlyell13's point is a valid one, great QB's don't take long to show they are great...



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Tannehill is still a big question mark in my mind. He did enough good things last year to make me hopeful and enough bad things to give me some doubts. My main criticism of him is inconsistency with his accuracy. He has all the tools to be great--arm strength, mobility, intelligence, good work ethic--but he has to become more accurate particularly on his intermediate throws. Hopefully, playing with better receivers this year, will help him develop more quickly. In fairness to him, last year's receivers (excepting Hartline) were to put it kindly, pedestrian. I'll reserve judgment until I see him in a real game with all of his weapons available to him.

I'd rather have him throw INTs in the first preseason game than have him hold the ball too long and take sacks..or just throw it away. He needs to test what he and his receivers can do. The first preseason game is the best place to do that.

Why wasn't Sucks added to the title.

He looks like he just doesnt get it. His eyes.

Moore is a much better QB and more accurate.

Love how people keep making excuses for Tannehill. Remember this was the offense he KNEW so well and yet he still can't get it right.

Matt moore stinks.

Fins72 Wrote:
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> Tannehill is still a big question mark in my mind.
> He did enough good things last year to make me
> hopeful and enough bad things to give me some
> doubts. My main criticism of him is inconsistency
> with his accuracy. He has all the tools to be
> great--arm strength, mobility, intelligence, good
> work ethic--but he has to become more accurate
> particularly on his intermediate throws.
> Hopefully, playing with better receivers this
> year, will help him develop more quickly. In
> fairness to him, last year's receivers (excepting
> Hartline) were to put it kindly, pedestrian. I'll
> reserve judgment until I see him in a real game
> with all of his weapons available to him.


That may be the most sensible post on this whole subject all year.

I'm sticking w/ Tannehill. Its just his second year as a starter. Plus he only had one full season as a starter at TX A&M. We knew this when we drafted him. His touch is off throwing breakouts in the flats and he can telepath on break in patterns. They knew all of this when they drafted the kid. Hope they can coach the kinks out.

He did go 9 games last year w/o int's. At this point I'm still in his corner.

Meanwhile the guy I wanted Kirk Cousins is looking real good in camp.

Until tannehill gets benched by someone better or get released and signs with another team i will give him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm sorry to say BUT Thill is showing signs of a dude who is not able to function at a consistent high-level in the pocket -- where field awareness, "feel" and decisive action coupled with accuracy are essential prerequisites.

If this continues then he will have to be utilized more for his athletic ability and less for his pure "QB" potential. That means a lot more on the move throws, some read option and so forth in order to leverage his "strengths" in some way that makes sense in live action…

But to have the kid drop back in a conventional manner and expect him to consistently perform in a highly productive (i.e., winning) manner just ain't gonna happen. IMO.

BNF.



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KB Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > jlyell13 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > >
> > > I seem to remember Marino coming in and
> tearing
> > it
> > > up right away, but then we didn't scrutinize
> > > things like we do today!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > LOL. Dan Marino stepped out of college and on to
> a
> > Superbowl caliber Team. That's like Ryan
> Tannihill
> > being drafted to the San Francisco 49ers last
> > season. Not a fair comparison. Relax. Let the
> > guy get settled a bit. He's a great athlete and
> > smart as heck. Great instincts. Ryan will kill
> it
> > and grill it. Wait and see.
>
> Well, they did play in that 'strike-bowl' the year
> before, but they lost by in large because they
> couldn't throw the ball (didn't complete a single
> pass in the 2nd half). jlyell13's point is a
> valid one, great QB's don't take long to show they
> are great...




Valid point? Was Marino a Wide receiver ever in his Football career? College, or Pro? Marino stepped on to a team that was completely established. he had so many advantages to Ryan its laughable to compare the two.

Its a known fact that Blind people have superior hearing for obvious reasons. My point? Marino is a pure pocket passer and had the quickest release of any other NFL player because he couldn't run. Hell he could barely walk.

Tannihill has so many great attributes being a complete athlete its just taking him a little while to dial in a constant play. Add to that , the new cast from last years new cast, add to that his inexperience at the position , and you say its a valid point? Really?

Marino was on firm footing from day one. He was experienced at the position. He stepped on to an established team , all he had to do is learn the playbook. In Tannihills position its the exact opposite. He knows the playbook , but his teammates don't. , Now again he just got a boat load of new teammates again . On top of that he has a bunch of instincts Marino never had. Marino had two choices. Throw the ball or hand it off. (and his play action always kinda sucked). because he was looking to get rid of the ball quickly.

Tannihill's mind works differently. He's got options and only experience will help him formulate those options quicker and more accurately. He has the tools. I've seen him run all last year and he's incredible to watch in person.

This isn't chad Henne looking for the 10 yder. He's looking to make things happen and its going to take a few pre game warm ups to fine tune it all. Geez.....you guys are Terrible. Just saying..........

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

uhhhh, Dan Marino was big-time QB in college and was light years beyond Thill coming out.

But -- none of that matters because Thill is nothing more than "potential" right now and it's obvious he's NEVER going to be anything like Dan Marino -- but who is???

And just because Thill is "raw" and "inexperienced" doen't mean he's going to turn out to be a really solid NFL coitusback.

IMO when it concerns Thill I think it's best to keep in mind: there's a LOT to prove and very little has been proven.

I just hope tannehill doesn't get beat up griffin the 3rd style if he desides to run a couple of times this year.


I want him to be more of a pocket passer.

I am in Tanny's corner but I am not pointing the finger at his teammates. Tanny is running this show and he has got to drive this offense, this year.
He is the qb he has to connect the dots and make this thing go.

missou..........by the 4th or 5th game of the regular season we will know if he is the one with the problem or if its the OL Receivers or rbs fault.


1. Will the receivers be getting open?

2. Are the rbs hitting the holes?

3. Is the OL opening holes for the rbs and giving Tannehill at least 3 seconds to deliver the football?

4. Are the FBs and Tends doing their jobs blocking / receiving ?

5. Or is it all Ryan Tannehills fault?

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Overall the thing that worries me the most is the OL.

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Our D barrying injuries will be ok once we get everybody in place.

If Dion Jordan works out and becomes a force we might have one of the better DLines in football.

When was the last time we had a couple of DEns making the pro bowl?

But he can't do it by himself. He can't block for himself and he can't run fast enough to catch the ball on the other end instead of playing "volleyball" with the pass like his receivers and that of Moore and Devlin did in that pre season game.

If the coitusback can't throw and catch his own stuff I don't want him!

Look at RG3 and that other guy. They even return their own punts!

Let's not treat Thill like a baby!

I mean -- golly dang nabbit.

BNF tannehill might have to be faster than Ussain bolt in order to catch his passes.

Yea. And I want him to catch his own punts too!

I mean RG3 can do it. And that tatted up QB on the 49ers can run as well...

samsam3738 Wrote:
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>
> Precisely my point.
>
> Receivers need to make a play for a change its bad
> enough the qb is fighting for his life in the
> LOS.

RESPONSE: "need to make a play for a change??" I don't even ask for that much. All I ask is when he throws you the friggin ball, don't friggin DROP IT or BAT IT IN THE AIR LIKE you think you're playing volleyball. Is that too much to ask of these people who call themselves "receivers."

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
>
> Valid point? Was Marino a Wide receiver ever in
> his Football career? College, or Pro? Marino
> stepped on to a team that was completely
> established. he had so many advantages to Ryan its
> laughable to compare the two.
>
> Its a known fact that Blind people have superior
> hearing for obvious reasons. My point? Marino is a
> pure pocket passer and had the quickest release of
> any other NFL player because he couldn't run. Hell
> he could barely walk.
>
> Tannihill has so many great attributes being a
> complete athlete its just taking him a little
> while to dial in a constant play. Add to that ,
> the new cast from last years new cast, add to that
> his inexperience at the position , and you say its
> a valid point? Really?
>
> Marino was on firm footing from day one. He was
> experienced at the position. He stepped on to an
> established team , all he had to do is learn the
> playbook. In Tannihills position its the exact
> opposite. He knows the playbook , but his
> teammates don't. , Now again he just got a boat
> load of new teammates again . On top of that he
> has a bunch of instincts Marino never had. Marino
> had two choices. Throw the ball or hand it off.
> (and his play action always kinda sucked). because
> he was looking to get rid of the ball quickly.
>
> Tannihill's mind works differently. He's got
> options and only experience will help him
> formulate those options quicker and more
> accurately. He has the tools. I've seen him run
> all last year and he's incredible to watch in
> person.
> This isn't chad Henne looking for the 10 yder.
> He's looking to make things happen and its going
> to take a few pre game warm ups to fine tune it
> all. Geez.....you guys are Terrible. Just
> saying..........

Your missing the 'point' and yes it was a good one.

Good NFL QB's show it when they get their chance to play. Marino, Manning, Warner, Brady, Kappernick, Luck, RGIII, whoever. Several of those guys went to teams who missed the playoffs the year before and made them contenders. All of them improved their teams passing game and offense IMMEDIATELY. SO far Tannehill has been more of the same:

2009 (Henne) 3170/6.2 yds/ypp 15/19 TD/INT
2010 (Henne) 3520/6.7 yds/ypp 17/21 TD/INT
2011 (Moore/Henne) 3091/7.3 yds/ypp 20/13 TD/INT
2012 (Tannehill) 3182/6.7 yds/ypp 13/13 TD/INT

I for one am a Miami Dolphin fan not a Ryan Tannehill fan. I'm to old for another 4-year experiment in 'waiting for the kid to develop'. At what point does 'potential' with no numbers to back it up become 'bust'? Not yet, but SOON.

I wouldn't disagree with KB. Most really legit QBs find a way to prove they belong pretty much right away. Of course experience helps and so does working on fundamentals -- but (for the most part) a kid either has "it" or he don't.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
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>
> >
> > Precisely my point.
> >
> > Receivers need to make a play for a change its
> bad
> > enough the qb is fighting for his life in the
> > LOS.
>
> RESPONSE: "need to make a play for a change??" I
> don't even ask for that much. All I ask is when
> he throws you the friggin ball, don't friggin DROP
> IT or BAT IT IN THE AIR LIKE you think you're
> playing volleyball. Is that too much to ask of
> these people who call themselves "receivers."


Exactly.

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> I wouldn't disagree with KB. Most really legit QBs
> find a way to prove they belong pretty much right
> away.


Just the guys he listed...Brady didn't play as a rookie, Neither did Kaepernick, Marino didn't get off the bench for 6 games and Warner 1 year bagging groceries another getting cut by the Packers, 2 years in the arena league, another in Europe before he made the Rams as a backup.




> Of course experience helps and so does
> working on fundamentals -- but (for the most part)
> a kid either has "it" or he don't.



For the most part, I agree.

But QB's don't all show "it" at the same rate of development.

Its a big year for Tannehill. If he doesn't show he has another level to his game this year, he's not likely to be here beyond his rookie deal...if that.

THE Truth Wrote:
> Just the guys he listed...Brady didn't play as a
> rookie, Neither did Kaepernick, Marino didn't get
> off the bench for 6 games and Warner 1 year
> bagging groceries another getting cut by the
> Packers, 2 years in the arena league, another in
> Europe before he made the Rams as a backup.

I said 'when they got their chance'. Once Marino went in, Woodley was done, Same for Warner/Greene, Kapernick Smith. Which brings up another point. For example Warner's case...WHY could coaches not see what he had in practice? HOW could they have thought Greene was superior? Game time is where you see 'It' practice means little in that respect.



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