A WR, either Austin or Patterson...either way, they'd return kicks for a year. Beyond that they would get on the field as the #4 guy and would sub for Hartline, Bess and Wallace so they get some real snaps and gametime experience.

But, when taking into account our F/A pickups we can quite literally go anywhere with each of our picks...good place to be.

Receiver is just not a need for us anymore. Unless we pick for best player available. At this point , one of out best receivers in the past , Bess might even be expendable. We have a much greater need at Tight end , lineman and even Runningback as far as offense goes.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

As a ND fan i watched everyone of Tylers games this past year and he is a very good blocker and would be an excellent asset to the Fins, ideally it would be nice to be able to trade back and get more picks and pick him up.

Last Notre Dame player drafted that turned out to be something special was more than 8 years ago! That's not counting Fasano or Golden Tate and some other random joes who are all kind of mediocre. If you want a blue chipper in the 1st round, you gotta look for an SEC guy, they are the ones that are battle tested against top tier talent.

toko34 Wrote:
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> Last Notre Dame player drafted that turned out to
> be something special was more than 8 years ago!
> That's not counting Fasano or Golden Tate and some
> other random joes who are all kind of mediocre.
> If you want a blue chipper in the 1st round, you
> gotta look for an SEC guy, they are the ones that
> are battle tested against top tier talent.


Talent is talent toko.

The school has nothing to do with it.

and two years ago another TE from ND was chosen. He was the Pro Bowl MVP this year. He is slower and was nowhere near as productive in college as Eifert.

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TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Receiver is just not a need for us anymore. Unless
> we pick for best player available. At this point ,
> one of out best receivers in the past , Bess might
> even be expendable. We have a much greater need at
> Tight end , lineman and even Runningback as far as
> offense goes.


RE: I understand that WR dosen't seem to be a weakness, but it will be in two or three years. We need to draft playmakers with the idea of them being ready when our current guys are declining. It also allows us to hedge our bets in case the guys we got in F/A don't work out. We need more playmakers and more speed on offense. We did a good job in F/A of adding that speed but more is ALWAYS better as is more playmakers at skill positions.

If we draft another WR that guy needs to be fast and have playmaking ability...both Austin and Patterson have those traits. Patterson adds to that equation by adding size. While whichever one we drafted develops we could get immediate play out of them by letting them return kicks and using them as substitutions for Wallace, Hartline, and Bess.

As far as RB goes there is only one in this years draft thats even remotely worth a first round pick...and I wouldn't take him at #12. Maybe in the bottom of the round buy not at #12.

In modern football, having more offensive weapons and speed than the other team wins games and championships...unless you happen to be the Ravens or Buc's.

Our defense, shouldn't be neglected either. But, in this years draft I'd rather get an offensive playmaker at #12. His defensive counterpart could wait until our second round pick. I'm also not sure any TE this year is worth the pick at #12 especially since we have Clay, Egnew, and Keller on the roster right now. And, I really DON'T want to see us take another OL player in the first round.

BPA in every round might not be a bad way for us to go this year.

Ken Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Receiver is just not a need for us anymore.
> Unless
> > we pick for best player available. At this point
> ,
> > one of out best receivers in the past , Bess
> might
> > even be expendable. We have a much greater need
> at
> > Tight end , lineman and even Runningback as far
> as
> > offense goes.
>
>
> RE: I understand that WR dosen't seem to be a
> weakness, but it will be in two or three years. We
> need to draft playmakers with the idea of them
> being ready when our current guys are declining.
> It also allows us to hedge our bets in case the
> guys we got in F/A don't work out. We need more
> playmakers and more speed on offense. We did a
> good job in F/A of adding that speed but more is
> ALWAYS better as is more playmakers at skill
> positions.
>
> If we draft another WR that guy needs to be fast
> and have playmaking ability...both Austin and
> Patterson have those traits. Patterson adds to
> that equation by adding size. While whichever one
> we drafted develops we could get immediate play
> out of them by letting them return kicks and using
> them as substitutions for Wallace, Hartline, and
> Bess.
>
> As far as RB goes there is only one in this years
> draft thats even remotely worth a first round
> pick...and I wouldn't take him at #12. Maybe in
> the bottom of the round buy not at #12.
>
> In modern football, having more offensive weapons
> and speed than the other team wins games and
> championships...unless you happen to be the Ravens
> or Buc's.
>
> Our defense, shouldn't be neglected either. But,
> in this years draft I'd rather get an offensive
> playmaker at #12. His defensive counterpart could
> wait until our second round pick. I'm also not
> sure any TE this year is worth the pick at #12
> especially since we have Clay, Egnew, and Keller
> on the roster right now. And, I really DON'T want
> to see us take another OL player in the first
> round.
>
> BPA in every round might not be a bad way for us
> to go this year.


That's right Ken, WR isn't a dire need anymore but you have to think past this season.

Bess is in the last year of his deal and he will get more money on the FA market than he will from us to be a 4th or 5th WR.

Gibson signed a 3 year deal that can easily be a 1 year deal.

Could be that we go into next years draft with WR as a need and who knows if there will be the WR talent in that draft that there clearly is in this one.

We have to take a WR in the first 3 rounds if the right guy is there.

right, for too long this team has just been playing whack-a-mole. seemingly address a postion, ignore it, pick another "need", and then if the decision turns out wrong, we are screwed. it's why we never have any depth (see what we did at WR after Marshall was acquired---nothing). if the clear best player on the board when our turn comes at 12 is Austin, then you take him, and build a deep position of strength for once. Austin brings different skills to the table than the WRs we currently have on the roster, so picking him would't be redundant. Wr is the only position you can line 4 and 5 up on the field at the same time---you can never have too many good ones

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THE Truth Wrote:
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> toko34 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Last Notre Dame player drafted that turned out
> to
> > be something special was more than 8 years ago!
>
> > That's not counting Fasano or Golden Tate and
> some
> > other random joes who are all kind of mediocre.
>
> > If you want a blue chipper in the 1st round,
> you
> > gotta look for an SEC guy, they are the ones
> that
> > are battle tested against top tier talent.
>
>
> Talent is talent toko.
>
> The school has nothing to do with it.

I've never seen a sillier statement. Yes, talent is talent but competition is competition.

Are you saying that if you take the TOP HIGH SCHOOL TALENT IN THE NATION and send him to Alaska to play against college competition there and then you are telling me that he would be as effective as he would if he went to the Big Ten or Pac 10 and played against competition there, as well as not to mention the SEC or the Southwest conference or the Big Eight??????????

And you call yourself THE Truth. You should make that "t" on "truth" into a little t. You can still be "THE" but you should be a little truth.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Ken Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Receiver is just not a need for us anymore.
> > Unless
> > > we pick for best player available. At this
> point
> > ,
> > > one of out best receivers in the past , Bess
> > might
> > > even be expendable. We have a much greater
> need
> > at
> > > Tight end , lineman and even Runningback as
> far
> > as
> > > offense goes.
> >
> >
> > RE: I understand that WR dosen't seem to be a
> > weakness, but it will be in two or three years.
> We
> > need to draft playmakers with the idea of them
> > being ready when our current guys are
> declining.
> > It also allows us to hedge our bets in case the
> > guys we got in F/A don't work out. We need more
> > playmakers and more speed on offense. We did a
> > good job in F/A of adding that speed but more
> is
> > ALWAYS better as is more playmakers at skill
> > positions.
> >
> > If we draft another WR that guy needs to be
> fast
> > and have playmaking ability...both Austin and
> > Patterson have those traits. Patterson adds to
> > that equation by adding size. While whichever
> one
> > we drafted develops we could get immediate play
> > out of them by letting them return kicks and
> using
> > them as substitutions for Wallace, Hartline,
> and
> > Bess.
> >
> > As far as RB goes there is only one in this
> years
> > draft thats even remotely worth a first round
> > pick...and I wouldn't take him at #12. Maybe in
> > the bottom of the round buy not at #12.
> >
> > In modern football, having more offensive
> weapons
> > and speed than the other team wins games and
> > championships...unless you happen to be the
> Ravens
> > or Buc's.
> >
> > Our defense, shouldn't be neglected either.
> But,
> > in this years draft I'd rather get an offensive
> > playmaker at #12. His defensive counterpart
> could
> > wait until our second round pick. I'm also not
> > sure any TE this year is worth the pick at #12
> > especially since we have Clay, Egnew, and
> Keller
> > on the roster right now. And, I really DON'T
> want
> > to see us take another OL player in the first
> > round.
> >
> > BPA in every round might not be a bad way for
> us
> > to go this year.
>
>
> That's right Ken, WR isn't a dire need anymore but
> you have to think past this season.
>
> Bess is in the last year of his deal and he will
> get more money on the FA market than he will from
> us to be a 4th or 5th WR.
>
> Gibson signed a 3 year deal that can easily be a 1
> year deal.
>
> Could be that we go into next years draft with WR
> as a need and who knows if there will be the WR
> talent in that draft that there clearly is in this
> one.
>
> We have to take a WR in the first 3 rounds if the
> right guy is there.

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That's why I continue to say with the first pick in the 2nd round, we should go CB. Then with the second pick, go WR. Both of those positions will be depleted of "starters" by the time Miami's turn comes up in the 3rd.

Ireland has, on too many occasions, gone to WR in the middle-to-late rounds and have found no one. Can't wait that long.

BPA at 12, then what I said in round 2.

Yes....DJ Hayden and Ryan Swope @ 2a & b.

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tsstamper Wrote:
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> 3 Oak Dee Milliner
> 4 Phi Lane Johnson
> 5 Det Dee Milliner
>
> Dee's really upset by the new rookie wage scale,
> so he decided to double up and play two separate
> rookie contracts?


haha.

If a couple of more teams take Miliner then there's a good chance one of the players we want will fall to us...

I am starting to think Tank Carradine may be the best option for us in the first round.

Since the OT's will be gone and no one wants to give a #12 and #82 up to get one player who may end up at right tackle...

The top CB will be gone and no one is losing sleep over not getting Xavier Rhodes who is not really a zone corner.

This is a deep draft at those positions and we can find one in the next few rounds.

How about a trade down with STL? They could move up and get Austin and we go to 16 and pick up their 78th pick (giving us 77 and 78).

If we are giving up draft picks to move up, I would rather use some of our mid picks to move high in the 2nd round or back into the first round.

I think that the elite "blue chippers" are at picks 1-5 and the the next group encompasses 6-25 or possibly even 6-30.

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eesti Wrote:
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> I am starting to think Tank Carradine may be the
> best option for us in the first round.
>
> Since the OT's will be gone and no one wants to
> give a #12 and #82 up to get one player who may
> end up at right tackle...
>
> The top CB will be gone and no one is losing sleep
> over not getting Xavier Rhodes who is not really a
> zone corner.
>
> This is a deep draft at those positions and we can
> find one in the next few rounds.
>
> How about a trade down with STL? They could move
> up and get Austin and we go to 16 and pick up
> their 78th pick (giving us 77 and 78).
>
> If we are giving up draft picks to move up, I
> would rather use some of our mid picks to move
> high in the 2nd round or back into the first
> round.
>
> I think that the elite "blue chippers" are at
> picks 1-5 and the the next group encompasses 6-25
> or possibly even 6-30.


I hope not...at least not at #12. If we traded down, maybe but I'd rather have Eifert than Carradine.

Eiffert in the 1st and a guy like Oakafor or Montgomery in the 2nd looks better to me than Carradine at #12 and a TE in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th