Let's dig deep and be honest. How many elite players do the Dolphins have? Players who are playmakers. Not the QB, receivers, the tight end, RB, they are all wildly inconsistent. Other than Suh and Wake and Grimes, who are the playmakers?

Not enough to make the playoffs, that's who.

Landry is our best playmaker. I think Parker will also be one given time. Besides that....hmmm...

A lot of truth to that, despite having guys who look good on paper, come game time, there just aren't many difference makers on our roster.

Maybe stop making the QB throw the ball 78% of the time and RUN THE DAMN BALL.

Maybe stop making up-field disruptive players play a two gap scheme that is usually reserved for a 3-4 defense!!!

Maybe fire a DC who has sucked for over 3 years.

Maybe bench Greg Jennings in favor of Parker and stop putting Brice McCain outside.

Maybe bench Dallas Thomas and put Douglas back in his natural position.

Maybe start one of the veteran FA's we signed in the off season.

Maybe stop trading away talent for peanuts.

run the damn ball? this is not 1997. this is a passing league. we need someone who can pass the damn ball and get it into the hands of receivers

LOOK at how many leave her and excel. We are the NFL farm league! SUH is a superstar until he arrives in Miami? Coincidence? I think not. There is a culture here of suckness that started at the Top. Talent is not the problem. I bet even Dion Jordon will benefit from a new DC and coaches.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

I agree that the culture is not what a good franchise should have AND that the coaching has pretty much sucked for most of the last decade and a half. But that doesn't let poor talent off the hook since it is a direct function of those who evaluate and acquire it. They are also part of the culture and the coaching staff.

IDK, I keep hearing about all these guys who go to other teams and light it up. WHO are they? Wes Welker I can think of but he has benefited from a couple of great QB's. Marshall had a couple good years maybe? Other than that who in recent memory? Maybe there are some I'm not thinking of but who have we let go that has turned out to be 'TOP' talent? Some guys have went on to teams and gotten a starting job, but who have we let go that has played multiple pro bowls after leaving? Who did we send off that will be in the HOF because of what they did after they left here? Wade? Long? Henne? Incognito? Martian? Wallace? Who?

SUh's utter lack of impact is puzzling and for the record I thought letting Clay go was a mistake. But IMO our talent over the last while has been as sub par as our coaching.

sickofit Wrote:
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> run the damn ball? this is not 1997. this is a
> passing league. we need someone who can pass the
> damn ball and get it into the hands of receivers

Spare me the phrase of the day coined by media pundits. I never said to ONLY run the ball. Ever hear of balance? All of the good teams have it. You should do some actual research.

You bitch and moan about our QB sucking but still think we don't need to run the ball? Ever think that could actually help him?

That's a great theory though. Just let the QB (that you say is a failure) throw the ball on every snap.

Get a Qb who can pass the ball? Is that where your genius plan ends? Or do we just clone Marino in the training room?

Throw the dam ball like marino did...Marino didnt had a running game....

But tannehill is not even close to been like marino right?

In his dream.

He is more close to been like Ryan Leaf.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> sickofit Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > run the damn ball? this is not 1997. this is a
> > passing league. we need someone who can pass
> the
> > damn ball and get it into the hands of
> receivers
>
> Spare me the phrase of the day coined by media
> pundits. I never said to ONLY run the ball. Ever
> hear of balance? All of the good teams have it.
> You should do some actual research.
>
> You bitch and moan about our QB sucking but still
> think we don't need to run the ball? Ever think
> that could actually help him?

I know we can argue this in a circle all day, but to be fair, the other side of the coin is, If the passing game was better it could help the running game also. When you can bring your secondary up and basically stack the line every play because all you have to worry about is a quick slant pass, that not only hampers the running game but also pass protection since safeties become extra blitzers. Unlike the Marino era when our RB's were slugs, we HAVE a guy who rushed for 1000yds LAST YEAR, Lamar Miller. What the heck has happened this year after spending YET ANOTHER FIRST RD PICK on OLine?

>
> That's a great theory though. Just let the QB
> (that you say is a failure) throw the ball on
> every snap.
>
> Get a Qb who can pass the ball? Is that where your
> genius plan ends? Or do we just clone Marino in
> the training room?

It's a pretty good plan...the last 12 superbowl winners have been: Brady, Brady, Roethlisberger, Manning(P), Manning(E), Roethlisberger, Brees, Rodgers, Manning(E), Flaco, Wilson and Brady. With the possible exception of Wilson, not a lot of guys there who aren't known as PROLIFIC passers FIRST and foremost.

**Rodgers and Flaco were legitimate first round QB's that the Dolphins passed on in 2005 and 2008 because we were 'waiting for <insert scrubs name here> to develop' Wilson was passed on also, but that one is at least defensible since he wasn't on most peoples radar. Brees could have been picked up in 2006 thru free agency but our geniuses decided he was 'injured' and besides we were all set with Joey Harrington...we passed. Peyton Manning was a free agent after 2011 EXACTLY at the time we were looking for a QB...we gave little more than a cursory look and seemingly he wasn't very interested. In short thats 3 and arguably 5 of the last 8 QB's to lead their team to a superbowl that COULD have been Dolphins.

If we had pursued a franchise QB for the last decade with the effort we have haplessly pursed the second coming of the 1993 Cowboys offensive line, we'd have one by now.



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KB Wrote:
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> I agree that the culture is not what a good
> franchise should have AND that the coaching has
> pretty much sucked for most of the last decade and
> a half. But that doesn't let poor talent off the
> hook since it is a direct function of those who
> evaluate and acquire it. They are also part of
> the culture and the coaching staff.
>
> IDK, I keep hearing about all these guys who go to
> other teams and light it up. WHO are they? Wes
> Welker I can think of but he has benefited from a
> couple of great QB's. Marshall had a couple good
> years maybe? Other than that who in recent
> memory? Maybe there are some I'm not thinking of
> but who have we let go that has turned out to be
> 'TOP' talent? Some guys have went on to teams and
> gotten a starting job, but who have we let go that
> has played multiple pro bowls after leaving? Who
> did we send off that will be in the HOF because of
> what they did after they left here? Wade? Long?
> Henne? Incognito? Martian? Wallace? Who?
>
> SUh's utter lack of impact is puzzling and for the
> record I thought letting Clay go was a mistake.
> But IMO our talent over the last while has been as
> sub par as our coaching.

Seems like half the Buffalo team that kicked our ass was originally a Dolphin. Several Jets as well.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

KB Wrote:
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> I agree that the culture is not what a good
> franchise should have AND that the coaching has
> pretty much sucked for most of the last decade and
> a half. But that doesn't let poor talent off the
> hook since it is a direct function of those who
> evaluate and acquire it. They are also part of
> the culture and the coaching staff.
>
> IDK, I keep hearing about all these guys who go to
> other teams and light it up. WHO are they? Wes
> Welker I can think of but he has benefited from a
> couple of great QB's. Marshall had a couple good
> years maybe? Other than that who in recent
> memory? Maybe there are some I'm not thinking of
> but who have we let go that has turned out to be
> 'TOP' talent? Some guys have went on to teams and
> gotten a starting job, but who have we let go that
> has played multiple pro bowls after leaving? Who
> did we send off that will be in the HOF because of
> what they did after they left here? Wade? Long?
> Henne? Incognito? Martian? Wallace? Who?
>
> SUh's utter lack of impact is puzzling and for the
> record I thought letting Clay go was a mistake.
> But IMO our talent over the last while has been as
> sub par as our coaching.

Seems like half the Buffalo team that kicked our ass was originally a Dolphin. Several Jets as well.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> It's a pretty good plan...the last 12 superbowl
> winners have been: Brady, Brady, Roethlisberger,
> Manning(P), Manning(E), Roethlisberger, Brees,
> Rodgers, Manning(E), Flaco, Wilson and Brady. With
> the possible exception of Wilson, not a lot of
> guys there who aren't known as PROLIFIC passers
> FIRST and foremost.
>
> This is where your missing the point.
>
> I'm talking about what this team can do right now.
> Not the MANY mistakes we made in the past..or
> shoulda, coulda, woulda.
>
> I'm talking about making THIS TEAM better in two
> weeks.
>
> We have had the ability to run the ball. We just
> haven't pursued it. 12-15 carries a game is not
> getting it done. Philbin, not unlike your
> thinking, sought out to put the game in the hands
> of Tannehill...like he thought he had Aaron
> Rodgers or something.
>
> All of those QB's you mentioned above ALSO had
> other great aspects of the team....defense, great
> o-line, running games, coaching etc. They didn't
> do it alone.

Nor did the teams do...anything till they found a QB. Again we can argue in a circle all day about whether the team makes the QB or vice versa. All those guys I named have been successful thru MANY different personnel changes on their respective teams. Not always a Super Bowl or even a division championship, but usually a contender, a relevant team that can challenge for their division, a playoff berth, etc...

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> KB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I agree that the culture is not what a good
> > franchise should have AND that the coaching has
> > pretty much sucked for most of the last decade
> and
> > a half. But that doesn't let poor talent off
> the
> > hook since it is a direct function of those who
> > evaluate and acquire it. They are also part of
> > the culture and the coaching staff.
> >
> > IDK, I keep hearing about all these guys who go
> to
> > other teams and light it up. WHO are they? Wes
> > Welker I can think of but he has benefited from
> a
> > couple of great QB's. Marshall had a couple
> good
> > years maybe? Other than that who in recent
> > memory? Maybe there are some I'm not thinking
> of
> > but who have we let go that has turned out to
> be
> > 'TOP' talent? Some guys have went on to teams
> and
> > gotten a starting job, but who have we let go
> that
> > has played multiple pro bowls after leaving?
> Who
> > did we send off that will be in the HOF because
> of
> > what they did after they left here? Wade? Long?
> > Henne? Incognito? Martian? Wallace? Who?
> >
> > SUh's utter lack of impact is puzzling and for
> the
> > record I thought letting Clay go was a mistake.
>
> > But IMO our talent over the last while has been
> as
> > sub par as our coaching.
>
> Seems like half the Buffalo team that kicked our
> ass was originally a Dolphin. Several Jets as
> well.

Well sad to say but starting on a team that beats us is no indicator of 'Top Talent' lol...

KB Wrote:
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> JoeFootball Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's a pretty good plan...the last 12 superbowl
> > winners have been: Brady, Brady,
> Roethlisberger,
> > Manning(P), Manning(E), Roethlisberger, Brees,
> > Rodgers, Manning(E), Flaco, Wilson and Brady.
> With
> > the possible exception of Wilson, not a lot of
> > guys there who aren't known as PROLIFIC passers
> > FIRST and foremost.
> >
> > This is where your missing the point.
> >
> > I'm talking about what this team can do right
> now.
> > Not the MANY mistakes we made in the past..or
> > shoulda, coulda, woulda.
> >
> > I'm talking about making THIS TEAM better in
> two
> > weeks.
> >
> > We have had the ability to run the ball. We
> just
> > haven't pursued it. 12-15 carries a game is not
> > getting it done. Philbin, not unlike your
> > thinking, sought out to put the game in the
> hands
> > of Tannehill...like he thought he had Aaron
> > Rodgers or something.
> >
> > All of those QB's you mentioned above ALSO had
> > other great aspects of the team....defense,
> great
> > o-line, running games, coaching etc. They
> didn't
> > do it alone.
>
> Nor did the teams do...anything till they found a
> QB. Again we can argue in a circle all day about
> whether the team makes the QB or vice versa. All
> those guys I named have been successful thru MANY
> different personnel changes on their respective
> teams. Not always a Super Bowl or even a division
> championship, but usually a contender, a relevant
> team that can challenge for their division, a
> playoff berth, etc...

Exactly! KEY word there....relevant TEAM.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> KB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JoeFootball Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > It's a pretty good plan...the last 12
> superbowl
> > > winners have been: Brady, Brady,
> > Roethlisberger,
> > > Manning(P), Manning(E), Roethlisberger,
> Brees,
> > > Rodgers, Manning(E), Flaco, Wilson and Brady.
> > With
> > > the possible exception of Wilson, not a lot
> of
> > > guys there who aren't known as PROLIFIC
> passers
> > > FIRST and foremost.
> > >
> > > This is where your missing the point.
> > >
> > > I'm talking about what this team can do right
> > now.
> > > Not the MANY mistakes we made in the past..or
> > > shoulda, coulda, woulda.
> > >
> > > I'm talking about making THIS TEAM better in
> > two
> > > weeks.
> > >
> > > We have had the ability to run the ball. We
> > just
> > > haven't pursued it. 12-15 carries a game is
> not
> > > getting it done. Philbin, not unlike your
> > > thinking, sought out to put the game in the
> > hands
> > > of Tannehill...like he thought he had Aaron
> > > Rodgers or something.
> > >
> > > All of those QB's you mentioned above ALSO
> had
> > > other great aspects of the team....defense,
> > great
> > > o-line, running games, coaching etc. They
> > didn't
> > > do it alone.
> >
> > Nor did the teams do...anything till they found
> a
> > QB. Again we can argue in a circle all day
> about
> > whether the team makes the QB or vice versa.
> All
> > those guys I named have been successful thru
> MANY
> > different personnel changes on their respective
> > teams. Not always a Super Bowl or even a
> division
> > championship, but usually a contender, a
> relevant
> > team that can challenge for their division, a
> > playoff berth, etc...
>
> Exactly! KEY word there....relevant TEAM.

You are missing MY point. They were relevant when they found their QB. We aren't because we haven't.

Not if they had the worst o-line and terrible defense they weren't.

See my poll.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> Not if they had the worst o-line and terrible
> defense they weren't.

We don't have the worst OLine...not by far...look it up.

Oh so now you're narrowing it down to us having to have THE worst line...ok. Good argument.

Look it up? And which stat is going to determine that?

I hope you are not basing this assumption on sacks alone? We are 10th in sacks but we have also not had the ball very often. We are 31st in offensive time of possession. I'd say that is pretty telling.

Tannehill has been under pressure. 43.3% of the time while dropping back. That's 2nd worst in the league.

Jamil Douglas has the worst pass blocking grade in the NFL and Dallas Thomas has the 3rd worst. That the WORST duo in the NFL BY FAR.

Douglas has allowed 23 pressures. The most in the league. The next most allowed were by Dallas Thomas with 17.

Jason Fox has allowed 9 total pressures in very limited snaps.

James has allowed 9 in four games.

We are ranked 31st in the NFL in rushing.

What more do you need to know to figure out the line is having a huge negative impact on our success?

Give Ryan Tannehill an actual NFL caliber offensive line, instead of this "would struggle to succeed in the CFL or Arena League" line he's been playing behind, and I think you'd be amazed at what he will do. Remember, this is the same kid who threw for over 4,000 yards last year, with something like 27 TD's against 12 INT's. Tannehill isn't the problem.

Doctor Feelgood Wrote:
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> Give Ryan Tannehill an actual NFL caliber
> offensive line, instead of this "would struggle to
> succeed in the CFL or Arena League" line he's been
> playing behind, and I think you'd be amazed at
> what he will do. Remember, this is the same kid
> who threw for over 4,000 yards last year, with
> something like 27 TD's against 12 INT's.
> Tannehill isn't the problem.



Beers on me brother!!!

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> Oh so now you're narrowing it down to us having to
> have THE worst line...ok. Good argument.
>
> Look it up? And which stat is going to determine
> that?
>
> I hope you are not basing this assumption on sacks
> alone? We are 10th in sacks but we have also not
> had the ball very often. We are 31st in offensive
> time of possession. I'd say that is pretty
> telling.
>
> Tannehill has been under pressure. 43.3% of the
> time while dropping back. That's 2nd worst in the
> league.
>
> Jamil Douglas has the worst pass blocking grade in
> the NFL and Dallas Thomas has the 3rd worst. That
> the WORST duo in the NFL BY FAR.
>
> Douglas has allowed 23 pressures. The most in the
> league. The next most allowed were by Dallas
> Thomas with 17.
>
> Jason Fox has allowed 9 total pressures in very
> limited snaps.
>
> James has allowed 9 in four games.
>
> We are ranked 31st in the NFL in rushing.
>
> What more do you need to know to figure out the
> line is having a huge negative impact on our
> success?

You said 'worst' bubba if that's not what you meant then...

Could it be we are almost last in rushing because we choose to throw the ball 70+ percent of the time with a sub par QB??? Smith had over 1000 yards last year. Our line was horrible then too right???



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/2015 05:47PM by KB.

And you said look it up...so I did, which showed a pretty strong case that they HAVE been the worst line thus far.

I guess you've abandoned your theory since I've yet to see any proof of those "past 12 SB winners" that were still relevant with a terrible o-line and defense.

Nice try thought....Let's call it the semantic sidestep.

I don't think talent is the problem. The struggle to replace Coyle was due to the fact that philbin hired a bunch of green coaches. Their resumes are pure crap.

I think this is a simple case of the blind leading the blind. I watched plenty of games today. That bills team that put 44 on us were shut down by Tenny. They dared Tyrod friggin Taylor to beat them and he was shut down most of the game but he made a play when they needed it.

Josh McCown stinks but he got out of the pocket when need be to keep plays alive and made more plays than Flacco.

The Bears are a train wreck but managed to get a big road win.

Those teams aren't more talented than the phins. Give us the bears staff and we're 3-1 at the bye.

I don't know if Campbell get get this turned around. He's still saddled with a crap staff but at least they aren't being led by clueless Joe anymore. I really think that'll make a difference.

At least I have a reason to watch the Titans game.

I tend to think you are correct about the coaching, JSM08. I hope as well as suspect that Campbell will do better.

"Let's dig deep and be honest."

This is just another way of saying, "This is my opinion and there is no way you can disagree with it - its just honesty!"

I do disagree with it, I believe your opinion is flawed.

Rick

During the presser he gave just after being announced as DC, Anarumo claimed we don't use the two-gap, haven't used it in the four years he's been here, that it's not even in the playbook.

Rick