Now I am convinced that Failbum knows some very dark secret about Ross!

It's the only thing that can explain this!

fans should boycott games if this happens!

This is actually a good move on Ross's part, it'll take away the "lame duck" status which will help in attracting free agents and who knows, maybe a new DC? It locks Philbin up just in case the light bulb goes on and he becomes a good coach, and I would assume that new language in the extension might say something about Philbin answering to Tannenbaum now? Believe it or not, it also shows future coaching candidates that Ross is a patient and loyal owner (maybe to a fault?)

I know it won't be popular in this thread and on this board, but an extension will have zero to do with Philbin coaching beyond 2015, the only thing that will determine that is a winning record and making the playoffs. Ross has shown with Sporano that he is not afraid to eat a contract and make a change, it's his money and it doesn't effect the salary cap, so who cares how much he eats?

Dolphaholic--
I re-read your post twice...and I happen to think your arguments make sense. They are speculative of course, but do make sense...from a Ross perspective. Could be.

Hyde5: Philbin contract extension means nothing to his Dolphins' future

He deserves an extension, a long term extension. We are in good hands and on a good path.

1. He got us a QB, finally.
2. He installed a winning offensive system.
3. We finally have a stable winning philosophy, like great teams, Ravens, Packers, Steelers, Patriots, that we can build on.
4. Young players are developing well in the system, contributing.
5. We are close, in the hunt to be a dominant team.

Coaches are still getting fired around the league as of today. Kyle Shanahan (OC) in Cleveland was let go. There is still hope for Coyle to go. That would reassure my belief in JP.

Fixing the defense (Coyle) would go a long way toward smoothing everyone's feathers and will likely see the team we have right now in the playoffs next year. Then with one or two key additions on offense paying dividends right away, we could see quite a bit more than that.

As some of the media have already opined, the extension doesn't guanrantee Philbin's long term future in Miami. What it does do is remove the lame duck label, which would compromise Philbin's credibility. It's a wise move on Ross's part.

I don't think a multi-billionaire gifting our HC with more money on paper, makes him any less of a lame duck then he already is on paper based on his record.. We can all agree that if Philbin doesn't produce, the majority of the coaching staff is gone next year, whether Ross gave Philbin more money or not.. I think it is really a senseless gesture to be honest... All it does is give Philbin money whether he continues his mediocre record or thrives next year... To me it does more harm then good... It makes the financial gesture carry even less weight in the future... And if Philbin follows the Sparano pattern it just discredits Ross's action as our owner even more... Giving Sparano an extension and then firing him, took all the power out of this move 3.5 years ago.. Philbin's record is what compromises his credibility, and that is not something money can restore, I don't care how you try to spin it... Fools gold...

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Forever and ever, Amen.

I disagree Crowder, I get what your saying about the extension not really fooling anybody as far as the lame duck status goes, but I think a show of support to a struggling coach from his owner will go a long way in future coaching searches, it certainly doesn't hurt Ross in any way, shape or form.

Also....the assistant coaches will not be inclined to resign if Philbin is working year to year. They could just be buying time for Lazor to get ready to take over.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> Also....the assistant coaches will not be inclined
> to resign if Philbin is working year to year. They
> could just be buying time for Lazor to get ready
> to take over.


IMO it is hard to say that Philbin is not realistically on a one year... As I said before you can't buy credibility... If we don't improve next year, he is gone... That means one year to me, no matter how you want to dress up the pig...

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It's simple. You do NOT offer "more commitment" (i.e., extend the contract) to reward under-performance and/or failure.

The absolute best you can say about Phlimflam is that he has under achieved as a 1st time HC.

I say he's a verifiable failure and therefore needs to be either (1) FIRED immediately or (2) fired tomorrow or (3) fired at the end of another disaster next season...

Put it this here way...........Philbin will be fired next season....So it just going to take a year longer with the rebuilding process.

Weve been talking about rebuilding for the past 20 years now.

Amen, SamSam.

colonel Wrote:
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> Philbin, Phailbin, Has-bin....It is perplexing as
> to why a 2-year extension was given to this man.
> Rewards are typically given to those who succeed,
> and earn it for a job well done. Is 8-8 a job well
> done? Hard to believe it is.
>
> Albeit, Joe Philbin worked hard at trying to
> improve the team, for that he get's an 'A' for
> effort. But an 'A' for effort doesn't justify a
> contract extension, maybe a quick pat on the back
> or an attaboy instead. Something else is going
> on here--it doesn't smell right--very troubling.
>


There's a few reasons Ross is giving him an extension.

First and foremost is that it means they don't have to answer 100 questions a day from the press about Philbin's "Lameduck" status.

Secondly, is it tells the players to listen up and not tune him out. He's here "long term" you might not be.

Additionally, its a sign of loyalty to Philbin from Ross in the form of a golden parachute if things don't work out.

Lastly, in the event things do work out and Philbin takes this team deep into the playoffs, you have him locked in for two more years at less money than you'd have to pay him if he was a free agent coach coming off an AFC championship appearance.

I have no problem with Ross giving Philbin more of his money. There are a lot of good reasons for it, and none of them would keep Ross from replacing him if he flops this year...just ask Jeff Ireland and Tony "fist pump".

As to a theory expressed in prior posts, nobody is gonna want Philbin in the future so it is a fool's dream to offer him an extension believing he might become hot property and you'd be locking him in with an extenstion.

It ALSO is poor motivation for him to change his ways THEREBY ENSURING another bad coaching year and another bad coaching DECISIONS year MEANING another BAD MIAMI DOLPHIN RECORD YEAR.

But Hey! Why should we care about that instead of about one man, an employee, and his feelings?

But i start thinking about it and is there anybody out there worth looking at for the head coaching job?

There is nobody worth crap out there.

SamSam, is there anybody else out there who'd call timeouts to help Aaron Rodgers complete a game winning last (for all intents and purposes) possession with only six seconds left on the clock (meaning that without just one of those timeouts, the clock would have run out and we would have won)?

If there is, then I'd agree, don't hire him either.

But I don't think there is such another Foolbin out there.

But every team is got to have a coach chren....And who better that Ross lil buddy joe philpin.

thegreathoo Wrote:
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> He deserves an extension, a long term extension.
> We are in good hands and on a good path.
>
> 1. He got us a QB, finally.
> 2. He installed a winning offensive system.
> 3. We finally have a stable winning philosophy,
> like great teams, Ravens, Packers, Steelers,
> Patriots, that we can build on.
> 4. Young players are developing well in the
> system, contributing.
> 5. We are close, in the hunt to be a dominant
> team.

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I have issues with your (above) comments, hoo:

1. He may have worked with Ireland to choose RT.
2. He didn't install a winning offensive system. The whole offense improved (on the field and stats) once Lazor was brought in.
3. Stable winning philosophy? GB, Det, among others, as examples.
4. Some are developing. Remember, Philbin doesn't like to play rookies (unless he has no choice).
5. Close? 8-8 the last two years plus he has a 24-26 record with Miami.

Agree, Cap.

IF Ross really wanted to help the team and give more of his money away, he should have done it in paying the money to penalties for overspending the cap. Rather then a "golden parachute" for a guy that has done nothing more then a mediocre job... That is being a owner who is smart with wanting to give his money away... A "golden parachute" for Philbin, was very corporate of Ross... At least cap penalty money could have helped the team... Giving it to Philbin didn't help the team IMO... What message does that send the players, your coach gets paid whether he fails or not, but the players actually have to earn it... Not good for team morale IMO... It just further disconnects the "taken care of" coach from the players who are not treated the same....

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> IF Ross really wanted to help the team and give
> more of his money away, he should have done it in
> paying the money to penalties for overspending the
> cap. Rather then a "golden parachute" for a guy
> that has done nothing more then a mediocre job...
> That is being a owner who is smart with wanting to
> give his money away... A "golden parachute" for
> Philbin, was very corporate of Ross... At least
> cap penalty money could have helped the team...
> Giving it to Philbin didn't help the team IMO...
> What message does that send the players, your
> coach gets paid whether he fails or not, but the
> players actually have to earn it... Not good for
> team morale IMO... It just further disconnects the
> "taken care of" coach from the players who are not
> treated the same....

It could have been worse. Ross could've given him a "Golden Shower"...

Lol Truth, you are a sick puppy....

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