captkoi Wrote:
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> Guys, Ireland is not an idiot, despite what has
> been posted on this board.
>
> When Miami's pick comes up at 12, Ireland is going
> to go by his big board. He is going with the
> highest rated player, not position of need. If
> Teo is his highest rated player when pick 12 comes
> up, then that is his pick.
>
> If Ireland (and possibly Philbin) feel that no one
> on the board at pick 12 is that highly rated, then
> Ireland will probably trade down (again, hopefully
> not too far down).
>
> Truth, I find it hard to fathom Miami drafting a
> guard at 12. There are (supposedly) many more
> players at different positions that would be more
> valuable for Miami than a guard. However, it
> would pretty much be guaranteed that if Miami did
> grab a guard, that he would probably be an
> immediate starter. But, I just don't see it.

yeah, Ireland is a freakin genius. His moves always work out.

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montequi Wrote:
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> I think it's the 2nd-round picks that really tell
> the tale:
>
> Ireland picks:
> Jonathan Martin
> Daniel Thomas
>
> Parcels/Ireland picks:
> Koa Misi
> Pat White
> Sean Smith
> Phillip Merling
> Chad Henne
>
> Not sure if the light will go on for Thomas, but
> looking at the other group, Misi has been pretty
> good...Smith has his limitations...and the rest
> were, basically, throw-away picks.

throw-away=garbage

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THE Truth Wrote:
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> captkoi Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Guys, Ireland is not an idiot, despite what has
> > been posted on this board.
> >
> > When Miami's pick comes up at 12, Ireland is
> going
> > to go by his big board. He is going with the
> > highest rated player, not position of need. If
> > Teo is his highest rated player when pick 12
> comes
> > up, then that is his pick.
> >
> > If Ireland (and possibly Philbin) feel that no
> one
> > on the board at pick 12 is that highly rated,
> then
> > Ireland will probably trade down (again,
> hopefully
> > not too far down).
> >
> > Truth, I find it hard to fathom Miami drafting
> a
> > guard at 12.
>
> Why?
>
> As you pointed out, Ireland will go by his big
> board and take the highest rated player on it
> (need breaking the tie).
>
> Wormack is probably the best O-line prospect in
> the draft, so he's going to be ranked in that
> neighborhood on most boards.
>
> Also, lets not forget that Ireland took a center
> at #15 two years ago.
>
> LG is a vital cog in our offense. Won't surprise
> me at all if Wormack is the pick.

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It's really hard to say, Truth.

At pick 12, I don't think a guard will be in that group for Ireland's big board. There will be other positions that will be rated higher, and guard will be below that.

Saying that, Ireland did learn from Parcells, and we all know what kind of thinking he had. Go for the big boys! If Ireland still thinks like that, then it's possible he could go for that position (guard). But, I still don't think so.

As I have said on numerous occasions, if Ireland trades down and that guard is there, then it is very possible that's where he goes.

Just have to wait and see.

captkoi Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > captkoi Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Guys, Ireland is not an idiot, despite what
> has
> > > been posted on this board.
> > >
> > > When Miami's pick comes up at 12, Ireland is
> > going
> > > to go by his big board. He is going with the
> > > highest rated player, not position of need.
> If
> > > Teo is his highest rated player when pick 12
> > comes
> > > up, then that is his pick.
> > >
> > > If Ireland (and possibly Philbin) feel that
> no
> > one
> > > on the board at pick 12 is that highly rated,
> > then
> > > Ireland will probably trade down (again,
> > hopefully
> > > not too far down).
> > >
> > > Truth, I find it hard to fathom Miami
> drafting
> > a
> > > guard at 12.
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > As you pointed out, Ireland will go by his big
> > board and take the highest rated player on it
> > (need breaking the tie).
> >
> > Wormack is probably the best O-line prospect in
> > the draft, so he's going to be ranked in that
> > neighborhood on most boards.
> >
> > Also, lets not forget that Ireland took a
> center
> > at #15 two years ago.
> >
> > LG is a vital cog in our offense. Won't
> surprise
> > me at all if Wormack is the pick.
>
> *************************************************
>
> It's really hard to say, Truth.
>
> At pick 12, I don't think a guard will be in that
> group for Ireland's big board. There will be
> other positions that will be rated higher, and
> guard will be below that.
>
> Saying that, Ireland did learn from Parcells, and
> we all know what kind of thinking he had. Go for
> the big boys! If Ireland still thinks like that,
> then it's possible he could go for that position
> (guard). But, I still don't think so.
>
> As I have said on numerous occasions, if Ireland
> trades down and that guard is there, then it is
> very possible that's where he goes.
>
> Just have to wait and see.


Yeah...so much information to come that will change the perception and rankings of these kids.

I was only saying that if we thought a LG was the best plyer on the board we'd take him.

Chances of that being the case are slim once people start dissecting film.

That's why I really want us to trade down. I don't think there's an obvious elite talent on the board at 12 and I think there are 5-10 players we could use that will have similar grades.

Trade down get one from: TE's Eiffert or Ertz...Johnathan Cooper, Barret Jones or another olineman...or one of the better wr's like Williams, Bailey, Allen etc.

Right now they have several of the WR's going in the second. Cordarrelle Patterson would be nice if we can get the BPA at 12. CB, DE or OL.

Seems to be deep in Wr this year. Outside of Keenan and Williams there is
Cordarrelle Patterson, Justin Hunter, Tavon Austin, Da'Rick Rogers, DeAndre Hopkins, Robert Woods, Stedman Bailey. There arre around 16 WR's that are ranked in the top two rounds this year. Not to mention the TE's.

Would be nice to get a stud CB at 1, one of the Wr's and TE's at 2a and and 2b. OT at 3a, OG at 3b.

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if we let Long go I think we need a T more than a G

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or someone who can play both...or all 5....Barrett Jones. Wonder how far he falls? probably 18-24

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Not sure if he was on our radar, but Taylor Lewan, the Mich tackle is staying in school

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> Not sure if he was on our radar, but Taylor Lewan,
> the Mich tackle is staying in school


Good for him. Bad for us.

Yep. That means one less player falls to 12 and one more team will be looking for a tackle.

I sure hope some of these QB's fly up the chart as they have over the past couple of years so we can land some blue chip talent. It would be nice to see 2 or 3 drop before 12.

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I think we go:

Glaring needs:

1. Quality WR draft with top pick for years to come with Tannehill.
2. FA - Sign Greg Jennings from Packers as slot receiver
3. TE with one 2nd and RT with the other
4. Resign Sean Smith, and another saftey with one of the 3rd picks
5. Let the rest of the draft play out with best available prefer to see a diamond in the rough (ala Zack) LB for future