It would be interesting to do a simple rundown. Of our games, how many were we leading in the first half and of those how many did we lose? And, of course, in how many games were we behind in the first half, and of those, how many did we win?

Not surprised, Philbin didn't want to fire Sherman, and was basically forced too.. Why would I be surprised he didn't want to fire Coyle... Besides the fact he probably feels guilty for his own failures and getting rewarded with a extension, why not carry on the love and keep Coyle after his failures... We can all fail and tell each other how great we are, geez what is this, some type of social experiment, or a professional f*cking football organization...smh

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Stubborn, stubborn, stubborn pride. At the very least, he needs to intervene BUT he is an offensive guy....kind of...

The last 5 HC'ing hires this year have been defensive coaches. 3 out of the final 4 coaches are former defensive coaches.

I just picture this conversation going down....

JP: What happened Kevin?

JC: I messed up when I asked for all 3- technique defensive tackles.

JP: Ok, you can stay, we'll get a NT.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> Stubborn, stubborn, stubborn pride. At the very
> least, he needs to intervene BUT he is an
> offensive guy....kind of...
>
> The last 5 HC'ing hires this year have been
> defensive coaches. 3 out of the final 4 coaches
> are former defensive coaches.
>
> I just picture this conversation going down....
>
> JP: What happened Kevin?
>
> JC: I messed up when I asked for all 3- technique
> defensive tackles.
>
> JP: Ok, you can stay, we'll get a NT.



I don't think its stubborn pride.

I think its a combination of loyalty and fear of the unknown. Primarily fear of the unknown. The same fear that had him run out the clock int he 1st half at buffalo and run on 3rd and long vs Green Bay.

Philbin's future is riding on next years results. He knows this. I think he to afraid to risk that future on "the devil he doesn't know".

Your analysis is close, Ed, but Philbin could also be afraid that they may bring in another defensive coach who could turn out to be ANOTHER TODD BOWLES AND THIS TIME ROSS MIGHT RETAIN THAT NEW DEFENSIVE COACH TO REPLACE PHILBIN AS HEAD COACH AND THUS this might be a shrewd move by Philbin to increase the odds (no matter how poor those odds might be) that he might be retained OR put another way, a shrewd way to DECREASE the odds (no matter by how little that reduction of odds might be) that the new Defensive Coordinator he brings in might actually be someone who is so good that it renders inevitable Philbin's own departure.

In other words, the bitchy wife should not, while her marriage to her husband is on the rocks, let her hot girlfriend who has come from another state seeking a job, move in their house temporarily.

Truth- I think the only way Philbin justified keeping Coyle is roster and injury limitations... If Coyle had the right guys he would have had a solid defense... And maybe there is some truth to that.. But at the end of the day, Coyles defense has degraded each year and that just isn't acceptable regardless of the cards you are dealt... In the real world results matter, and his results suck the last 2 years... Excuses are for losers IMO... And both Coyle and Philbin have lousy results...
On the contrary look at what a coach like Urban Meyer did with a 3rd string Qb, no excuses, just results... Great coaches deal with setbacks and succeed... Our coaches live on excuses for failures rather then overcoming... Belicheck deals with setbacks and still overcomes year after year... We don't have that type of mentality nor skill from our coaches and that sucks...

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I am totally not surprised.

I have to agree. Coyle was retained because of our defensive injuries. The conclusion had to be the scheme was not the reason the defense collapsed. I'm not sure I completely agree with it but that's where we are. Well on to free agency I guess.

Except not stopping the run had little to do with defensive injuries.

I don't know about that. If we had finished the season with all of our defensive players healthy...maybe we arent as bad against the run in cruch time.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Truth- I think the only way Philbin justified
> keeping Coyle is roster and injury limitations...
> If Coyle had the right guys he would have had a
> solid defense... And maybe there is some truth to
> that.. But at the end of the day, Coyles defense
> has degraded each year and that just isn't
> acceptable regardless of the cards you are
> dealt... In the real world results matter, and his
> results suck the last 2 years... Excuses are for
> losers IMO... And both Coyle and Philbin have
> lousy results...
> On the contrary look at what a coach like Urban
> Meyer did with a 3rd string Qb, no excuses, just
> results... Great coaches deal with setbacks and
> succeed... Our coaches live on excuses for
> failures rather then overcoming... Belicheck deals
> with setbacks and still overcomes year after
> year... We don't have that type of mentality nor
> skill from our coaches and that sucks...


If it was just about the injuries then he'd have made the announcement sooner.

I think that Philbin made a calculated decision to roll with the known commodity in Coyle versus the unknown with whomever they could have replaced him with.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/17/2015 06:01AM by THE Truth.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> JoeFootball Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Stubborn, stubborn, stubborn pride. At the very
> > least, he needs to intervene BUT he is an
> > offensive guy....kind of...
> >
> > The last 5 HC'ing hires this year have been
> > defensive coaches. 3 out of the final 4 coaches
> > are former defensive coaches.
> >
> > I just picture this conversation going down....
> >
> > JP: What happened Kevin?
> >
> > JC: I messed up when I asked for all 3-
> technique
> > defensive tackles.
> >
> > JP: Ok, you can stay, we'll get a NT.
>
>
>
> I don't think its stubborn pride.
>
> I think its a combination of loyalty and fear of
> the unknown. Primarily fear of the unknown. The
> same fear that had him run out the clock int he
> 1st half at buffalo and run on 3rd and long vs
> Green Bay.
>
> Philbin's future is riding on next years results.
> He knows this. I think he to afraid to risk that
> future on "the devil he doesn't know".

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I would think, also, that there may have been some conversations with the DCs that were recently let go and none of them wanted to take the position with Miami for fear that Philbin wouldn't be with the team after this upcoming season, and that because Philbin would be fired, so would they.

Ken Wrote:
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> I have to agree. Coyle was retained because of our
> defensive injuries. The conclusion had to be the
> scheme was not the reason the defense collapsed.
> I'm not sure I completely agree with it but that's
> where we are. Well on to free agency I guess.

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But, as we are all aware, injuries are part of the game. It's up to the coaches to get the best out of their "next men up." Philbin and Coyle have been unable to do that.

Ken Wrote:
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> I don't know about that. If we had finished the
> season with all of our defensive players
> healthy...maybe we arent as bad against the run in
> cruch time.

The collapse started week 11 vs Denver. The only starter missing was Cortland Finnegan.

The parallels to Tom Olividotti continue. Prevent defense. Playing off receivers. HC won't fire him.

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> The collapse started week 11 vs Denver. The only
> starter missing was Cortland Finnegan.


It really started in the second half of that game, when Jamar Taylor who was filling in for Finnegan got hurt.. Will Davis was already hurt, so we had our 5 string DB covering Emmanuel Sanders, and Manning just picked him apart... If Jamar Taylor had stayed healthy we win that game...

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
Nietzsche

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Truth- I think the only way Philbin justified
> > keeping Coyle is roster and injury
> limitations...
> > If Coyle had the right guys he would have had a
> > solid defense... And maybe there is some truth
> to
> > that.. But at the end of the day, Coyles
> defense
> > has degraded each year and that just isn't
> > acceptable regardless of the cards you are
> > dealt... In the real world results matter, and
> his
> > results suck the last 2 years... Excuses are
> for
> > losers IMO... And both Coyle and Philbin have
> > lousy results...
> > On the contrary look at what a coach like Urban
> > Meyer did with a 3rd string Qb, no excuses,
> just
> > results... Great coaches deal with setbacks and
> > succeed... Our coaches live on excuses for
> > failures rather then overcoming... Belicheck
> deals
> > with setbacks and still overcomes year after
> > year... We don't have that type of mentality
> nor
> > skill from our coaches and that sucks...
>
>
> If it was just about the injuries then he'd have
> made the announcement sooner.
>
> I think that Philbin made a calculated decision to
> roll with the known commodity in Coyle versus the
> unknown with whomever they could have replaced him
> with.


I hear ya, but I think Philbin doesn't want to fire anyone.. If he had his way Mike Sherman would still be our OC...
I don't think it was about rolling with a known commodity as much.. Think about it, Sherman was fired and the unknown (Bill Lazor) worked out pretty well for him.. So IMO the unknown is not why he didn't fire Coyle.. Since the unknown has worked better for him then the known on the offensive side of the ball... I think he blames it on the roster he was given and the injuries suffered.. I don't think Philbin blames Coyle for LB and DT issues on the roster.. Either way, Coyle didn't get it done... I would have fired him....

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
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Prepare for a MAJOR set back next year.

This team is going to have the wheels fall off in a very ugly way -- and it will start in the off-season when players bolt at the opportunity to get away from this clown owner and inept org for the chance to play for a legit team.

We can only hope the disaster is SO bad and the outcome so utterly embarrassing that Ross has no real option other than unload the franchise -- but I doubt that will happen.

The clown's titanic ego is such that he cannot possibly admit his own incompetence and reconcile the massive mistake known as his purchase of the team. In the end, the franchise will be an absolute joke and stripped of all of its prior luster. Heck its already about 70% done...

Keeping Coyle also signals the obvious -- no decent DC (or even position coach) is gonna come to Miami as long as Phlimflam is at the helm. I mean really -- this is a proverbial lost case...

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Not surprised, Philbin didn't want to fire
> Sherman, and was basically forced too.. Why would
> I be surprised he didn't want to fire Coyle...
> Besides the fact he probably feels guilty for his
> own failures and getting rewarded with a
> extension, why not carry on the love and keep
> Coyle after his failures... We can all fail and
> tell each other how great we are, geez what is
> this, some type of social experiment, or a
> professional f*cking football organization...smh


Phlimflam is obviously a fan of "fail forward."

We've been failing forward for like 20 years or so. Obviously failing takes time. Failing is not as easy as it seems. It takes someone like Phlimflam to consistently fail and become really good at it. For that core reason Coyle is an important part of the ongoing failing forward failosophy.

It's faily simply.

BNF.