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There is an old saying....it's never a mistake if you fix it. Tannehill not only fixed the problem, he motivated everyone on that feild. IT truly bothers you to see him do well. No way you are a Dolphins fan.
jsm08 Wrote:
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> Tanne still falls short in the redzone.
Yeah, but there are so many variables when you are inside the 20 and even more when you are inside the 10 yard line.
It's hard to just say, "If we don't get a touchdown pass, it's the QB's fault."
All it takes is one off. lineman whiffing on a block or a receiver stopping short or going too far or a running back making the wrong cut when he is handed the ball....
as I've said before, it is hard to blame a player for performance.....
but on the other hand, you easily want to blame PLAYERS and excuse COACHES when all they have to do is OUT-THINK the other coaches and above all, all they have to do is NOT make stupid decisions.
jsm08 Wrote:
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> Tanne still falls short in the redzone.
he made several plays in the Red against the Chargers , and a few yesterday against one of the best defenses in the league. I don't see him falling short anywhere. Can he improve? sure.....everyone can. But he is anything but ineffective.
ChyrenB Wrote:
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> jsm08 Wrote:
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> > Tanne still falls short in the redzone.
>
>
> Yeah, but there are so many variables when you are
> inside the 20 and even more when you are inside
> the 10 yard line.
>
> It's hard to just say, "If we don't get a
> touchdown pass, it's the QB's fault."
>
> All it takes is one off. lineman whiffing on a
> block or a receiver stopping short or going too
> far or a running back making the wrong cut when he
> is handed the ball....
>
> as I've said before, it is hard to blame a player
> for performance.....
>
> but on the other hand, you easily want to blame
> PLAYERS and excuse COACHES when all they have to
> do is OUT-THINK the other coaches and above all,
> all they have to do is NOT make stupid decisions.
The pass to Clay in the end zone was on the money. Clay couldn't hold it. RTs fault? I don't think so.
Also Chryen, blame goes to all. Sure, coaches make some bone-headed calls/decisions, but in the overall scheme of things, not that many during any one game. It is sometimes magnified because of the situation in which it was called.
The players are the one's on that field who make the difference, either way, positive or negative. The offense makes a first down, good possibility the game is over. The defense doesn't let the opponent drive down the field with little time on the clock, game probably over.
I put the onus on the players more than I do on the coaches.
Tannehill not only fixed the problem, he motivated everyone on that feild.
He motivated them how exactly? Rallied them to victory???/ uh no.
Perhaps if he had hit a wide open Wallace for the deep TD that would have motivated them to victory. A better pass to Clay in the endzone perhaps motivates them to victory.
Their QB made the 2 passes that Tannehill did not, they won.
ChyrenB Wrote:
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> captkoi Wrote:
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> > ChyrenB Wrote:
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> >
> > > as I've said before, it is hard to blame a
> > player
> > > for performance.....
> > >
> > > but on the other hand, you easily want to
> blame
> > > PLAYERS and excuse COACHES when all they have
> > to
> > > do is OUT-THINK the other coaches and above
> > all,
> > > all they have to do is NOT make stupid
> > decisions.
> >
> >
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> > **
> >
> >
> > Also Chryen, blame goes to all. Sure, coaches
> make
> > some bone-headed calls/decisions, but in the
> > overall scheme of things, not that many during
> any
> > one game. It is sometimes magnified because of
> the
> > situation in which it was called.
> >
> > The players are the one's on that field who
> make
> > the difference, either way, positive or
> negative.
> > The offense makes a first down, good
> possibility
> > the game is over. The defense doesn't let the
> > opponent drive down the field with little time
> on
> > the clock, game probably over.
> >
> > I put the onus on the players more than I do on
> > the coaches.
>
> I disagree Cap. There is so much required of
> physical performance. And that just the player's
> physicality. You also have to figure in the
> physicality OF THE OPPOSING PLAYERS.
>
> Plus there is ALSO A MENTAL ASPECT to the player's
> job. A receiver can fake out a D back or a d back
> can make it appear that he is completely fooled by
> the receiver and bait the receiver and make the
> interception.
>
> A quarterback can be baited into an interception.
>
> A lineman can be baited into blocking in such a
> way as to give another defensive lineman a clear
> shot at the quarterback.
>
> and I could go on and on and on in demonstrating
> that PLAYERS have to do right MENTALLY as well as
> physically.
>
> For Godsakes, all the coaches are required to do
> is think!
>
> AND THAT'S ONLY HALF OF WHAT I'M SAYING.
>
> I'm NOT EVEN BLAMING THEM FOR BEING OUTFOXED BY
> OTHER COACHES. NONE OF MY COMPLAINTS IN THE PAST
> HAVE INVOLVED THAT.
>
>
> I don't think it is asking too much of coaches
> NOT to make a mistake in THINKING, rather than be
> outfoxed.
>
> And moreover, not to make the bonehead stupid
> mistakes they make.
>
> Their mistakes are INEXPLICABLE TO ME.
>
> I'm not just talking about guessing wrong on
> say....whether to try a 50 yard field goal or pass
> it up when we are behind by 2.
>
> I'm talking about real stupid sh*t like 1)calling
> those timeouts in the Green Bay game when you
> figure that it's better to get a chance to go over
> your defense than it is to let the clock run down
> on a team THAT IS BEHIND AND OUT OF TIME OUTS.
>
> To a lesser degree, it involves 2)deciding that in
> Detroit's "gotta catch up" last series of downs,
> to decide to not play pressure defense but
> coverage defense against them which allowed them
> to go from THEIR 20 yard line on the first
> possession to OUR 27 yard line with plenty of time
> left on the clock.
>
> Pretty soon all will come to the conclusion that
> we have to get rid of Philbin. I argued with
> Sparano's conservativism but never have I seen
> anyone but Philbin make such boneheaded moves. It
> explains entirely why he was never promoted to
> Head Coach by anyone else before.....NOT EVEN ON
> THE COLLEGE LEVEL.
I understand what you are saying, Chryen, but don't necessarily agree. Some of your points are valid, however.
I still say in the majority of time, the onus is on the players. The coaching staff designs the plays and puts the players in position to make the plays. If a player is not that talented or makes a bone-headed mistake, the other team takes advantage.
Every single team in the NFL has problems on the field. They could have HOF coaches, and still blow it. Shula was a hell of a coach. He had teams that screwed up, not because he made a mistake, but because the player(s) did not carry out their assignment(s).
You want to pin those two games on Philbin (and the other coaches)? Both our offense and defense didn't do the job in the last four minutes. If they had, Philbin would not have been put into the situation where he had to call a timeout(s). I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with his decision(s), I'm just saying that players shouldn't put him in that position.
Coaches make decisions that turn out to be brilliant; other times they make the same decision and they look like dumb asses.
My point was that the players make more mistakes than a coaching staff. At times it looks worse for the coach because of the timing or situation. The players have sixty minutes, where many mistakes are made.