Yes, but I think Coyle, in our system, looks at our safeties playing a much more interchangeable role.. They don't split the field like a traditional FS and SS. Now technically he plays the SS spot but it is a system where both guys really play both positions... Also under Nolan before Coyles interchangeable system Jones played the FS spot... So it is kind of vague area technically speaking about which player is playing which position in the traditional sense, when our safety system under Coyle is anything but traditional...

I think the article makes a good point, Wilson plays the safety position too much like a nickel corner position... Where most of the time you have someone behind you, so you can take big shots at guys...

At safety, you need to make the tackle, not try and always make a big hit at the risk of giving up a TD... Wilson needs to get it straight how to play each position differently, not always be a head hunter...

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In simpler terms, they both play FS in most of our schemes even though one guy is obviously lined up on the strong side..

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Jones was killer in 2012. I hope he can regain that form. I love Jimmy Wilson. He is like the little engine that could. He has been through a lot of personal shit as well. Hope he succeeds.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Not sure I agree with that assessment. I remember Philbin saying that (interchangeable) but he says a lot of things...He's not one to give away to much info scheme wise.

Jones has always been listed as SS with Clemons at FS, so that doesn't explain the writers label.

Last two years Jones has lined up closer to the line of scrimmage while Clemons played center field. You can see this if you go back and look at the film. Jones would be the 8th man (in the box) so to speak when scheme dictated it. I noticed the same thing in the Bucs game. Delmas was deep center while Wilson was up closer to LOS.

In the base offense, Clemons was always deeper than Jones with Clemons in the center and Jones to the strong side. Obviously he is going to play the run more. (As Wilson is going to).

In 2013, Jones was in the box 36% of the time compared to Clemons at 28%. Or 169 snaps compared to 128. In 2012 Jones was at 42% and Clemons at 24%. Jones had 65 more snaps in the box. I would imagine that some of Clemons snaps close to the line were partly comprised of short yardage situations where both safeties were in the box.

Last year Clemons was the primary man in coverage 30 times compared to 13 times for Jones.

Jones has always been better vs the run compared to coverage. Opposite for Clemons as he had the 4.3 make up speed to roam the field more. Jones is not that fast with a 4.5 40.

I think it was just a figure of speech for Wilson in the article and just plain wrong by the writer.

In Coyles own words and style, he wants his safeties to be interchangeable or ability to play both positions... This among other things allows him to disguise coverage.... We play alot of cover 2 or zone with soft coverage which means both safeties pretty much do the exact same thing which most resembles a free safety role...

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Crowder52 is correct.

Its like the difference between a RB and a FB. Same shit.....different day. Kinda.......maybe not....sort of.....Yes.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Joe- WIlson has always played the run fairly well, you just don't want him to be covering the TE in man down field IMO.. In Coyles system the SS is not required to play the TE in man downfield 90 percent of the time... Which traditionally would be the role of the SS... If your concern is the run because of Wilsons size, I don't think it will be a problem he is scrappy and very instinctive in the run game as well as blitzing.

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TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Its like the difference between a RB and a FB.
> Same shit.....different day. Kinda.......maybe
> not....sort of.....Yes.


Treasure basicily a SS actions would be dictated by what the TE does on the strong side.. If he lines up to go down field, traditionally the SS would have him in man coverage.. If the TE lines up to block, then the SS would push up to be another body on the outside of the TE to keep the edge so the run doesn't get outside....

In Coyles system, the SS rarely gets put in man coverage on the TE... They play a zone or cover 2 instead, which means the offense can't dictate what the SS is going to do in the passing game.. It allows the SS to play like a FS and freedom to go in the direction of the play based on the zone reads after the ball is snapped.. The strong safety keeps an eye on the WR and or TE on his side in soft zone coverage and has to cover the deep side of the field on his side... The FS basically does the same thing on the other side of the field with the other receivers ...

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