great if it happens but to depend on it (and make decisions on who to acquire on it) is foolish based on what he showed last year

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I'm looking forward to see what this guy has. Let him get focused on one position and the bs distractions have been removed he should be ready to show something. I still remember the 2012 TN vs SC game he did a pretty good job against Clowney.

Wasn't like he was a 1st rnd pick some development was expected.

1st round pick? no more like 3d

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It is very hard for us to judge a guy who barely got on the field last year and when he did was less then impressive... He was also beat out by a practice squad player when we lost our starting guard and tackle... So to pencil him in as a starter next year is a bit of a reach at least from an outsiders perspective.... Could it happen, sure, but to say he is our in house starter at this point is Omar Kelly mumbo jumbo IMO...

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From my recollection Thomas fits perfectly with our draft history of mid-round OL flunkies like Jerry and Toledo and that dude overwhelmed by his own baby fat!

What was Baby Fat's name?

Oh yea -- Murphy.

No team has sucked as fantastically (and as consistently) as the Dolphins
in drafting garbage OL for like 15 years. The other part of the irony is…

Baby T and Phlimflam were both OL "gurus" and both failed to build Miami a competitive unit.

You could argue Baby T put together a pretty decent OL for 12 games or so -- but Phlimflam's OLs have been Absolute Certified Disasters (ACDs)!

ADD and ACD =

Shame - Shame - Shame
Shame of fools…


BNF.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> It is very hard for us to judge a guy who barely
> got on the field last year and when he did was
> less then impressive... He was also beat out by a
> practice squad player when we lost our starting
> guard and tackle... So to pencil him in as a
> starter next year is a bit of a reach at least
> from an outsiders perspective.... Could it happen,
> sure, but to say he is our in house starter at
> this point is Omar Kelly mumbo jumbo IMO...


Hard for us to judge???...absolutely.

But for a coaching staff that worked with him day in and day out for the last 11 months??? They should be able to project him as a factor in our oline or as a bust.

Seems like they like him.

Philbin today or yesterday talking about Dallas Thomas, was far less committal on the subject then Omar's Tweet... He said they like him for position flexibility, they especially liked his tape from playing LT in college... He said all that said they need to find him a home so to speak at RT or one of the guard spots... Somewhere he can get a level of comfortability at...(paraphrased)

By the way the worst Philbin said about more then 20 players he was asked about, was the LB play was "inconsistent" at times... Everybody else was "hard workers" and "looking good"... "We liked what we saw from him" He didn't even blow off if Incognito would be looked at... I think he said Richie is a good player and is a UFA, so he will be evaluated just like everybody else...

I would hope that Thomas is a starter at high level for our team next year, but that is a big leap from his play last year... We lost probably all but one position on the line last year if Pouncey stays... So those spots are wide open, Thomas is as likely as the next guy I suppose... He was a 3rd rd pick from a major school.

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Philbin today or yesterday talking about Dallas
> Thomas, was far less committal on the subject then
> Omar's Tweet... He said they like him for position
> flexibility, they especially liked his tape from
> playing LT in college... He said all that said
> they need to find him a home so to speak at RT or
> one of the guard spots... Somewhere he can get a
> level of comfortability at...(paraphrased)
>
> By the way the worst Philbin said about more then
> 20 players he was asked about, was the LB play was
> "inconsistent" at times... Everybody else was
> "hard workers" and "looking good"... "We liked
> what we saw from him" He didn't even blow off if
> Incognito would be looked at... I think he said
> Richie is a good player and is a UFA, so he will
> be evaluated just like everybody else...
>
> I would hope that Thomas is a starter at high
> level for our team next year, but that is a big
> leap from his play last year... We lost probably
> all but one position on the line last year if
> Pouncey stays... So those spots are wide open,
> Thomas is as likely as the next guy I suppose...
> He was a 3rd rd pick from a major school.


I'm not making any predictions on him. Just pointing out that they are in a far better position to know what we have in Thomas than we are.

Whether they are right or not in that assessment, and every other player evaluation, will determine how long they hang around as a staff.

But what I am saying is that he didn't say anything different about Thomas then he said or would have said about any player he was asked about on the entire roster..Omar took what Philbin said and made it sound like Thomas is a starter based on how the coaches look at him.. IMO that wasn't really the case it was just Philbin being Philbin... He didn't really say anything... Ask Philbin about 90 percent of players under contract and you will get a similar response, so it is really irrelevant and nothing.... There was no real assessment just burning his time with reporters during a mandated press time at the NFL meeting... Each coach sits at a table and the press have 45 minutes to approach the table and do a kind of press meeting...

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> great if it happens but to depend on it (and make
> decisions on who to acquire on it) is foolish
> based on what he showed last year

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He couldn't get on the field last season; no OTAs this year, as yet.

How can our Dolphins brass make a statement like that?

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Philbin today or yesterday talking about Dallas
> > Thomas, was far less committal on the subject
> then
> > Omar's Tweet... He said they like him for
> position
> > flexibility, they especially liked his tape
> from
> > playing LT in college... He said all that said
> > they need to find him a home so to speak at RT
> or
> > one of the guard spots... Somewhere he can get
> a
> > level of comfortability at...(paraphrased)
> >
> > By the way the worst Philbin said about more
> then
> > 20 players he was asked about, was the LB play
> was
> > "inconsistent" at times... Everybody else was
> > "hard workers" and "looking good"... "We liked
> > what we saw from him" He didn't even blow off
> if
> > Incognito would be looked at... I think he said
> > Richie is a good player and is a UFA, so he
> will
> > be evaluated just like everybody else...
> >
> > I would hope that Thomas is a starter at high
> > level for our team next year, but that is a big
> > leap from his play last year... We lost
> probably
> > all but one position on the line last year if
> > Pouncey stays... So those spots are wide open,
> > Thomas is as likely as the next guy I
> suppose...
> > He was a 3rd rd pick from a major school.
>
>
> I'm not making any predictions on him. Just
> pointing out that they are in a far better
> position to know what we have in Thomas than we
> are.
>
> Whether they are right or not in that assessment,
> and every other player evaluation, will determine
> how long they hang around as a staff.

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Granted, Truth, that the coaching staff is in a better position than any of us regarding their players, but a third round pick and he can't even see the field, especially as poorly as that OL played, and he is (supposedly) being seen to start this season?

Makes no sense, unless they are just trying to pump him up and hope he can deliver during the off season workouts.

It would be nice if he could start and play well, however.

captkoi Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Crowder52 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Philbin today or yesterday talking about
> Dallas
> > > Thomas, was far less committal on the subject
> > then
> > > Omar's Tweet... He said they like him for
> > position
> > > flexibility, they especially liked his tape
> > from
> > > playing LT in college... He said all that
> said
> > > they need to find him a home so to speak at
> RT
> > or
> > > one of the guard spots... Somewhere he can
> get
> > a
> > > level of comfortability at...(paraphrased)
> > >
> > > By the way the worst Philbin said about more
> > then
> > > 20 players he was asked about, was the LB
> play
> > was
> > > "inconsistent" at times... Everybody else was
> > > "hard workers" and "looking good"... "We
> liked
> > > what we saw from him" He didn't even blow
> off
> > if
> > > Incognito would be looked at... I think he
> said
> > > Richie is a good player and is a UFA, so he
> > will
> > > be evaluated just like everybody else...
> > >
> > > I would hope that Thomas is a starter at high
> > > level for our team next year, but that is a
> big
> > > leap from his play last year... We lost
> > probably
> > > all but one position on the line last year if
> > > Pouncey stays... So those spots are wide
> open,
> > > Thomas is as likely as the next guy I
> > suppose...
> > > He was a 3rd rd pick from a major school.
> >
> >
> > I'm not making any predictions on him. Just
> > pointing out that they are in a far better
> > position to know what we have in Thomas than we
> > are.
> >
> > Whether they are right or not in that
> assessment,
> > and every other player evaluation, will
> determine
> > how long they hang around as a staff.
>
> ***********************************************
>
> Granted, Truth, that the coaching staff is in a
> better position than any of us regarding their
> players, but a third round pick and he can't even
> see the field, especially as poorly as that OL
> played, and he is (supposedly) being seen to start
> this season?
>
> Makes no sense, unless they are just trying to
> pump him up and hope he can deliver during the off
> season workouts.
>
> It would be nice if he could start and play well,
> however.


Cap,

Olineman usually take a year or two to get up to NFL strength levels. Its not uncommon for guys, especially non 1st or 2nd round picks, to play little in their 1st year and then become very good players after getting stronger.

In this case, you also have a player coming off a shoulder injury.

Add to that that this staff (rightly or wrongly) has shown a penchant for sitting 1st year players in favor of veterans and its not really a surprise that he didn't play much.

Remember, when they were moving him around in preseason he struggled. They made it very public that he was going to focus on RT with his limited reps once the season started. That's a major part of the reason they went with Brenner once Incognito went down. Thomas wasn't going to get much PT unless Clabo or McKinnie got hurt. They didn't.

I guess we'll find out this year whether he one of those guys who wasn't ready as a rookie but is as a 2nd year player, or if he's one of those guys who is just never going to be ready at all.

I agree with what Cap is saying, there really hasn't been any practice or OTAs, just players working out... But somehow Thomas wasn't good enough to get much time on the field at the end of last year but somehow, between then and now he is suppose to be penciled in as a starter? Ok, I guess.... It is just junk reporting and a coach killing time. Combined with a lousy reporter writing about football and starters with absolutely nothing to base it on but a coach doing a BS interview at an NFL meeting while players are sipping Margaritas in Cozumel getting fat... This is real sharp journalism....lol....

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Last year at the same meeting and press junket, Philbin was expecting big things from Josh Kaddu in the coming season. He was a player to look out for........ catch my drift on the meaningless nature of what is said during this time by the coach.......

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THE Truth Wrote:
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>

>
> Cap,
>
> Olineman usually take a year or two to get up to
> NFL strength levels. Its not uncommon for guys,
> especially non 1st or 2nd round picks, to play
> little in their 1st year and then become very good
> players after getting stronger.
>

this isn't really true. last few years there were many 2-4th rounder OL who made an immediate impact. in fact of the OL we've drafted in history I think most of them were good or at least contributing right away from the get go. I am having a hard time thinking of an OL who looked as bad as Thomas and played as little as he did who ever amounted to anything.

but assuming you are correct, then it really does not make a great deal of sense to do what we seem to want to do which is to go shopping in the draft for 2 rookie starters...

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I believe that Thomas was yet another player drafted last year that was injured.

The core question is simple simple simple stupid.

Competence?

Starting from the top -- this coaching staff has demonstrated a profound incompetence in developing the OL.

Yea yea I know. We have a new OL coach. But OL is the positional background of Phlimflam -- and he's the one making the high-level decisions -- like keeping Samuda at the expense of a valuable roster spot.

Beyond that -- Phlimflam has demonstrated ZERO capacity as an evaluator at ANY position because our rookies have ALL been developmentally truncated by his fundamental mishandling of their talents and potentials.

I mean have we been dealing with SHIT for so long that we're used to the stench???

Consider what a great coach like Shula in his prime could do with "talent" and it's glaringly obvious we SUCK at targeting, selecting and developing talent. And maybe that's just a fundamental cornerstone to building a team.

My opinion. Of course.

BNF.