I'm not particularly surprised at the firings that have taken place so far, but I think a few more of the staff should go:

Jim Turner, Offensive line: a truly awful o-line both this year and last, even with the season-opening starting line personnel. After the blowup at mid-season, he was still unable to shore up the line sufficiently to prevent the worst sack total in Dolphins' history.
I'd love to replace this guy with Paul Boudreau, who was our o-line coach in Wanny's last year, and who vastly improved the line in the short time he was here, but he is under contract to the Rams at this time.

George Edwards. Linebackers coach: This guy was originally hired by Nick Saban and stayed for Cam Cameron. Philbin Brought him back, but I don't know why. He did a lousy job with Dansby and Burnett, then an even worse job with Ellerbe and Wheeler(who I hope also gets fired!). Our linebackers both years were poor tacklers who never made plays and cannot cover anybody, especially TEs. They've been the weakest link in Coyle's defense.

Maybe Jeff Nixon, RBs coach: we've had lousy RBs the last few years, but they weren't used right to maximize the talents they did have.

As for replacements for Sherman, I think Norv Turner did a more than decent job with Gus Frerotte at QB, getting us to 2nd in the AFC East with inferior talent. I think he's a much better coordinator than he was a head coach.
I think Hue Jackson might be a good sleeper candidate, as well.

As for a replacement for Ireland, that's a can of worms I really don't want to get into, but the name Jason Taylor keeps popping into my head for some reason.

Rick



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Nobody with a "name" like Norv Turner, formerly a head coach, is going to accept a job under a guy who has had 22 jobs as an assistant and not one previous job as a head coach.

Philbin might have a great reputation in Ross's mind but I'd bet that the rest of the NFL, speaking on conditions of anonymity, would probably say that Philbin is lost and that the HC job is over his head.

I certainly don't understand the way they are doing things...

Starting at the bottom and working upwards....

Interviewing an OC before a GM is in place?

obviously we are going to have a HC and GM that have no say over each other and will have a football czar and we haven't even hired him. Better not be Delta Dawn.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

typically the hc is in charge of hiring his assistants. the owner will hire gm.

this isn't rocket science.

It must be cuz typically the hiring starts at the top and trickles down.

If you are going to have someone run the football operations, he would typically want to hire the GM. Not the CPA/capologist and Real estate guru.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

we did the latter when we hired philbin. we had the gm in place and he and ross hired the hc.

I could have sworn that was frowned upon on this board.

Every HC position open right now has the GM already in place. I thought this was the wrong thing to do. I thought this was the half-assed thing to do. You either clean the ENTIRE house or you're performing "shotgun weddings"

Not following the logic here. Oh wait. There isn't any. No matter what Ross does you guys will find a reason to complain no matter how contradictory the complaint is.

Don't lump me in with that group. I call out where I see a problem. I have given everyone the benefit of the doubt. Ireland, Philbin and Ross. As a matter of FACT, this is probably the first time I have even criticized Ross...So you might want to re-examine the history instead of spewing nonsense.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

I don't have the problem with Jim Turner that others do. He is a very good coach IMO, knows his stuff. When I've seen him live at work, I've been impressed with his teaching style. IMO, I just don't think Ireland gave him very much to work with.



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It is sounding more and more like Philbin was not happy about that either.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

Well the Redskins are hiring Jay Gruden. One of the hottest young coaching prospects on the market.

They were able to do that with Bruce Allen already in place and one of the biggest clown owners in the league. He also is taking over the HC job of RGIII that just got his coach fired and cost the team it's first rounder this year and I believe next. So not only is he going to work for a clown owner, he also is working for a puppet GM and primmadonna overrated QB.

Now if that isn't a toxic situation I don't know what is.

These guys that are getting their first cracks at HC or GM aren't as choosy as some would make you believe. That's why i'm not concerned when I see the local beat writers concocting stories about the inner workings of the dolphins business.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> typically the hc is in charge of hiring his
> assistants. the owner will hire gm.
>
> this isn't rocket science.

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Where I have been going with this, jsm, is that it is a waste of time and money to be hiring assistants if the only way Ross can get the GM he wants is to allow that GM to make his own decisions about who he wants as HC.

If that is (finally) the case, now the new assistants and HC will (probably) be gone.

So, if this search-and-hire "thingy" continues on as it presently is, then that tells me Philbin will be the coach for the 2014 season.

If Ross hires a high profile guy and Philbin remains, that tells me the GM must suck it up for 2014, then "do what you gotta do" for 2015.

I seriously question Philbin remaining based solely on the last two games of the season.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> Well the Redskins are hiring Jay Gruden. One of
> the hottest young coaching prospects on the
> market.
>
> They were able to do that with Bruce Allen already
> in place and one of the biggest clown owners in
> the league. He also is taking over the HC job of
> RGIII that just got his coach fired and cost the
> team it's first rounder this year and I believe
> next. So not only is he going to work for a clown
> owner, he also is working for a puppet GM and
> primmadonna overrated QB.
>
> Now if that isn't a toxic situation I don't know
> what is.
>
> These guys that are getting their first cracks at
> HC or GM aren't as choosy as some would make you
> believe. That's why i'm not concerned when I see
> the local beat writers concocting stories about
> the inner workings of the dolphins business.

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Gruden is a first-time NFL HC, so he is just happy to have the job. He needs a GM that has been in place to help him along and teaching him the ins-and-outs of the business.

That doesn't fly with the top notch coaches, ala Fisher. Guaranteed, if Mike Shanahan gets back into the thick of things and interviews as a HC, a GM already in place isn't going to cut it, and we can turn that around with GM and HC.

eesti Wrote:
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> Don't lump me in with that group. I call out where
> I see a problem. I have given everyone the benefit
> of the doubt. Ireland, Philbin and Ross. As a
> matter of FACT, this is probably the first time I
> have even criticized Ross...So you might want to
> re-examine the history instead of spewing
> nonsense.

eesti, you have to understand that JustMyOpinion #08 does not appreciate anyone expressing an opinion except him.

Get it? It's Just HIS OPINION that matters, that's what he means by Just My Opinion.

How many "fire thilbin" threads have you started?

your credibility has been shot to hell in the process. you consider your opinion as fact no matter how many time those "facts" have been proven wrong.

so there's that...

And LOL, you probably THOUGHT I started THIS thread! You didn't have the good sense to look back and see that Rick dolfan4545 started this thread. LOL.

LOL.

err this is to you jsm08.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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"I do tend to blame Philbin"

No kidding. You're vitriolic on the subject. Every chance you get you write a post or add to one denigrating Philbin. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but if that really is your opinion, don't be mealy-mouthed about it. Man up to it!

Rick

"If Ross hires a high profile guy and Philbin remains, that tells me the GM must suck it up for 2014, then "do what you gotta do" for 2015.

I think that this correct. The Jets started a new paradigm last year by telling John Idzik to work with Rex Ryan for a season, then do as he pleases. He's obviously learned to work with Rex since he extended the coach instead of firing him. I think we'll hire a GM on that or a similar basis. The OC that's hired will report to Philbin of course, so his fate will ultimately be tied to Philbin's.

Rick

dolphan4545 Wrote:
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> I'm not particularly surprised at the firings that
> have taken place so far, but I think a few more of
> the staff should go:

Just cause the talent was bad doesn't mean the coaching was, too.

Turner is a pretty good OL play teacher, IMO. I've seen him work up close during my attendance at the media portion of practice, and I like his style. In his case, I feel he was asked to make chicken soup largely out of chicken feathers.

Edwards is a damn good linebackers coach. Saban loved him, and Saban is VERY picky about defense. Again, asked to make chicken soup from feathers.

Nixon had his best player (Bush) taken from him by Ireland and asked to take a group of nobodies and make them players. He did make progress with his guys IMO and did the best he could with what he had.

As for offensive production overall, this is where an upgrade over Sherman will make the most difference IMO.



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dolphan4545 Wrote:
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> ChyrenB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> "I do tend to blame Philbin"
>
> No kidding. You're vitriolic on the subject. Every
> chance you get you write a post or add to one
> denigrating Philbin. You are certainly entitled to
> your opinion, but if that really is your opinion,
> don't be mealy-mouthed about it. Man up to it!

Rick, please follow the threads.

I put a 10 day moratorium promise to dolphaholic on myself criticizing Philbin. I said at the time that some fool would try to bait me.

"Just His opinion matters" accused me of starting 30 threads on firing, this being one, Philbin.

You started this thread, not me.

If you now regret it, then that's one thing but don't take my past positions to verify what HE said which is that I, NOT YOU, started this thread.

Holic was looking for 10 days of peace but you clowns start drudging up the subject on your own.

dolphan4545 Wrote:
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> "If Ross hires a high profile guy and Philbin
> remains, that tells me the GM must suck it up for
> 2014, then "do what you gotta do" for 2015.
>
> I think that this correct. The Jets started a new
> paradigm last year by telling John Idzik to work
> with Rex Ryan for a season, then do as he pleases.
> He's obviously learned to work with Rex since he
> extended the coach instead of firing him. I think
> we'll hire a GM on that or a similar basis. The OC
> that's hired will report to Philbin of course, so
> his fate will ultimately be tied to Philbin's.


I don't know if I'd give the Jets credit for anything last year.

First off, Chicago did the same thing with Lovie Smith the year before and then let the new GM fire him after he won 10 games in 2012. All they did was delay the rebuild by a year, which is just stupid.

The Jets spent weeks last year getting shut out and shot down by their top targets for GM because none of them were willing to be saddled with Ryan for one more year. Smart GM's want their guy, not a shotgun wedding.

Now the Jets have a guy at GM who has next to no personnel experience in the NFL and was a cap specialist in Seattle to go with a coach who only managed to keep from being ridden out of town on a rail in NYC by beating a shitty Cleveland team, and us as we were imploding.

Maybe it works or for them in some bizzarro fashion, but probably not.

Either way, its not a recipe I'd try to replicate.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> dolphan4545 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ChyrenB Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > "I do tend to blame Philbin"
> >
> > No kidding. You're vitriolic on the subject.
> Every
> > chance you get you write a post or add to one
> > denigrating Philbin. You are certainly entitled
> to
> > your opinion, but if that really is your
> opinion,
> > don't be mealy-mouthed about it. Man up to it!
>
> Rick, please follow the threads.
>
> I put a 10 day moratorium promise to dolphaholic
> on myself criticizing Philbin. I said at the time
> that some fool would try to bait me.
>
> "Just His opinion matters" accused me of starting
> 30 threads on firing, this being one, Philbin.
>
> You started this thread, not me.
>
> If you now regret it, then that's one thing but
> don't take my past positions to verify what HE
> said which is that I, NOT YOU, started this
> thread.
>
> Holic was looking for 10 days of peace but you
> clowns start drudging up the subject on your own.

First, it is correct that I started this thread, I never said you did. I also didn't accuse you of starting any threads on Philbin, I couldn't care less- you just add comments on the subject into every possibly pertinent thread. That is your prerogative. Second, the original post does not refer to firing Philbin at all, because I don't think it is a good idea. Third, I was referring in my last post to your penchant of writing posts that make clear your extreme dislike of Philbin, regardless of whether you started the thread or not. Not an accusation, merely an observation. Lastly, I didn't promise anything to anybody. If I didn't mention Philbin in my post, I certainly wasn't baiting you. Any mention of firing Philbin or criticizing him is on you.

Rick

cshashaty Wrote:
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> dolphan4545 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm not particularly surprised at the firings
> that
> > have taken place so far, but I think a few more
> of
> > the staff should go:
>
> Just cause the talent was bad doesn't mean the
> coaching was, too.
>
> Turner is a pretty good OL play teacher, IMO. I've
> seen him work up close during my attendance at the
> media portion of practice, and I like his style.
> In his case, I feel he was asked to make chicken
> soup largely out of chicken feathers.
>
> Edwards is a damn good linebackers coach. Saban
> loved him, and Saban is VERY picky about defense.
> Again, asked to make chicken soup from feathers.
>
> Nixon had his best player (Bush) taken from him by
> Ireland and asked to take a group of nobodies and
> make them players. He did make progress with his
> guys IMO and did the best he could with what he
> had.
>
> As for offensive production overall, this is where
> an upgrade over Sherman will make the most
> difference IMO.


Thanks for the informed perspective, I can only judge from the production of the various units from an observer's perspective. I guess that leaves us with a need for a GM that can turn chicken feathers into the real thing. I'd love to see some chicken salad for a change.

Rick

dolphan4545 Wrote:
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If I
> didn't mention Philbin in my post, I certainly
> wasn't baiting you. Any mention of firing Philbin
> or criticizing him is on you.

Wait a minute! YOU REMIND PEOPLE that I dislike Philbin AND THAT MENTION IS ON ME??????

And if you talk about the fight I was having with jsm08 then it's still on you for not minding your own damn business without investigating your facts. Just sticking your nose in without going back and researching the thread.

Perhaps YOU should go back and read my first post. I didn't mention Philbin at all. I don't care about any feuds you may be having with anybody. I mentioned your evident dislike of Philbin in a later post. If you think your stand is not known to others on this board, think again. Don't use my comments to justify your feuds.
I want to make one thing perfectly clear. I have my own opinions. I come to this board to hear all other opinions in order to get a broader perspective on this subject. I don't care what those opinions are, I want to hear them. Some opinions become obvious with repetition. I have never blocked another poster and I have no plans to do so- not even you.

Rick



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I never said this was a fire Philbin post. Let me simplify for you. Someone else mistakenly thought I started this thread BUT ALSO MISTAKENLY THOUGHT it was a fire Philbin thread. When I disabused them of that notion, in comes you talking about how I cannot escape responsibility for wanting Philbin fired.

Again, you simply don't know what you're talking about and no one is using your comments in any way except that I am saying that you are jumping into a fight I was having with someone else without knowing what the hell you are talking about!

no jsm didn't.

he asked you how may fire thilbin threads you've started.

he didn't ever say this was a fire thilbin thread but thanks for doing what you do best.

twist and spin.

Now that that's cleared up did you see the Seahawks/Saints game?

What did you think of the Seahawks read option offense?

heh heh