In the Broncos-Chargers game today, in fact, just a few minutes ago as I type, Refs made a bad call IMO on a Bronco possession and fumble. I think the ball carrier's butt PROBABLY was on the ground at the split second BEFORE they stripped him of the ball.

The ref called it that the strip occurred BEFORE his butt hit the ground. He as a human used his eyes switching from the guy's butt to the strip to make a call.

Of course they review it and there is "no indisputable visual evidence" proving that the ref was wrong.

I think that that rule SHOULD BE CHANGED. I think that whereever there is a turnover, "the TURNOVER should have to be supported by indisputable visual evidence" regardless of what the ref thought he saw.

It is time to shed the last vestige of relying on humans in critical situations.

I know all the old rugged followers of the game hate the fact that the game is more and more moving toward cameras but the fact is that we need to come into the 20th Century, let alone into the 21st Century. The game is too big to rely on some official AND WHAT HE THOUGHT he saw.

Just make the change to having to have the replay CONFIRM THE turnover.

Get rid of ref's and have a computer system with cameras determine it all. Then we would see much better outcomes.

Now you wouldn't be ribbing me, would you, dolfan1?

We screamed and complained about the "replacement refs" and their replacements miss calls just as bad every week. I saw a pass interference call against a guy this year and he was 3 feet away from the player!

Personally, I'd like to see a system that would "see" everything; all of those holds that are never seen by the officials should be called. Force the players to play clean and by the rules. Have chips/sensors everywhere so that officials know exactly where the ball should be placed, and who actually recovers the ball under a pile (not who ends up with it). Was that really a "hands to the face" penalty, or did the hand just barely graze the facemask? Was the runner down before or after the ball was stripped?

It wouldn't bother me one bit if this would make the game longer... football season is too short IMO with only one game per week. I'd just like to see games decided by talent and coaching, not by players getting away with cheating or bad calls (and non-calls) from the officials.

they have that already. it's called madden football in the gaming world.