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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: January 04, 2009 05:53PM

And the first one was not on Ginn he jumped as high as he possible could and it was still 3 feet over his head!!! You guys have issues. Re-watch the games.

TED GINN HATERS ALL AROUND!!!

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: ejay ()
Date: January 04, 2009 07:19PM


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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: January 05, 2009 02:00AM

Fact is, a #9 WR pick SHOULD be able to get some separation down field. Pennington was hoping for that, but it didn't happen.

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: Northeast Fin Fan ()
Date: January 05, 2009 02:32AM

It's tough to get separation from double coverage, regardless of where you were picked in the draft.

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: January 05, 2009 02:42AM

2 plays were Penni's fault the overthrow and the hand off. Gind did get tripped on the other. Regarding the handoff terrible call by the coaches. Why run parrallel to the line of scrimmage when the Ravens were getting good run penetration most of the game. The trap or draw was there on that play for some positive yardage.

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: Northeast Fin Fan ()
Date: January 05, 2009 02:44AM


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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: January 05, 2009 02:45AM

Northeast Fin Fan Wrote:
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> It's tough to get separation from double coverage,
> regardless of where you were picked in the draft.

Great WRs, like Randy Moss, regularly beat double-coverage. If you truly have world-class speed, you should be able to. Ginn isn't of that caliber, but a #9 pick really should be.

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: January 05, 2009 02:46AM


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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: Northeast Fin Fan ()
Date: January 05, 2009 02:48AM

Jerry Rice was playing across the Bay until very late in Brown's career? He had nothing to do with Brown's development.

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: January 05, 2009 02:52AM

Quote:

"Great WRs, like Randy Moss, regularly beat double-coverage. If you truly have world-class speed, you should be able to. Ginn isn't of that caliber, but a #9 pick really should be"


&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Great WR get seperation from *GREAT* DB's like Ed Reed regularly?

I DONT THINK SO!

Nobody in this league gets seperation from Ed Reed who is the best defensive player in the NFL. Fact of the matter is that if Pennington throws the ball over Ginns outside shoulder (WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THROWN!!!) he is the only player with a chance to catch it. Either two things happen:

1. Ted Ginn catches it and is immediately tackled.
or
2. It is an imcomplete pass.

Guess what??? No INT return for a TD.........PENNINGTON'S FAULT!

BOTTOM LINE!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/05/2009 02:53AM by Aqua&Orange.

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: January 05, 2009 02:53AM

Jimmy Smith was picked #36

Ed McCaffrey #83

Reggie Wayne #30

Roddy White #27

Steve Smith #77

Mushin Muhammad #43

These guys weren't overpaid in their first few years, like Ginn has been. Ginn needs some motivation, which MIGHT happen if he's cut and has to take a lower salary elsewhere.

All I'm saying is, for a #9 pick, Ginn should be producing in his 2nd year...either as a WR or, at least, on Special Teams. He's doing neither.

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: Northeast Fin Fan ()
Date: January 05, 2009 02:53AM

montequi Wrote:
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> Northeast Fin Fan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's tough to get separation from double
> coverage,
> > regardless of where you were picked in the
> draft.
>
> Great WRs, like Randy Moss, regularly beat
> double-coverage. If you truly have world-class
> speed, you should be able to. Ginn isn't of that
> caliber, but a #9 pick really should be.

Ginn was open on the first pick that was clearly overthrown by Pennington. He was running a deep pattern with a double move when he got tripped on the 2nd INT. Unfortunately, our line couldn't give Pennington enough time to hold the ball just a bit longer which would allow Ginn to finish his pattern. In the meantime, Ginn got tripped. Hardly Ginn's fault.

I hate Moss. He's a punk. But there's only one Randy Moss. No other player gets the separation he gets. If that is your expectation, you may never be happy with a Dolphin WR again.

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: January 05, 2009 02:54AM

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Quote:
>
> "Great WRs, like Randy Moss, regularly beat
> double-coverage. If you truly have world-class
> speed, you should be able to. Ginn isn't of that
> caliber, but a #9 pick really should be"
>
>
> &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
> Great WR get seperation from *GREAT* DB's like Ed
> Reed regularly?
>
> I DONT THINK SO!
>

I'm not saying it wasn't a bad throw by Pennington, I'm just saying CP needs some weapons. He NEEDS a legit WR that can stretch the field. Ginn is NOT that guy.
> Nobody in this league gets seperation from Ed Reed
> who is the best defensive player in the NFL. Fact
> of the matter is that if Pennington throws the
> ball over Ginns outside shoulder (WHERE IT SHOULD
> HAVE BEEN THROWN!!!) he is the only player with a
> chance to catch it. Either two things happen:
>
> 1. Ted Ginn catches it and is immediately
> tackled.
> or
> 2. It is an imcomplete pass.
>
> Guess what??? No INT return for a
> TD.........PENNINGTON'S FAULT!
>
> BOTTOM LINE!

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: January 05, 2009 02:54AM

Northeast Fin Fan Wrote:
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> montequi Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Northeast Fin Fan Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > It's tough to get separation from double
> > coverage,
> > > regardless of where you were picked in the
> > draft.
> >
> > Great WRs, like Randy Moss, regularly beat
> > double-coverage. If you truly have world-class
> > speed, you should be able to. Ginn isn't of
> that
> > caliber, but a #9 pick really should be.
>
> Ginn was open on the first pick that was clearly
> overthrown by Pennington. He was running a deep
> pattern with a double move when he got tripped on
> the 2nd INT. Unfortunately, our line couldn't
> give Pennington enough time to hold the ball just
> a bit longer which would allow Ginn to finish his
> pattern. In the meantime, Ginn got tripped.
> Hardly Ginn's fault.
>
> I hate Moss. He's a punk. But there's only one
> Randy Moss. No other player gets the separation
> he gets. If that is your expectation, you may
> never be happy with a Dolphin WR again.

Perhaps not with a #9 pick.

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: Northeast Fin Fan ()
Date: January 05, 2009 02:55AM

The point is not where a player gets picked. The point is that it usually takes a few years for a WR to mature in the NFL.

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: January 05, 2009 02:58AM

You said great WR get seperation regularly as if to say he should have gotten it yesterday. Guess what?? It wasnt going to happen. Ed Reed on Ted Ginn or any other WR in this league is a mismatch in the favor of the Baltimore defense.

Our problem yesterday was that for 3 1/2 quarters we set ourselfes up for failure by running 2 TE's and only 1-2 WR's at a time, allowing Baltimore to blitz heavy and Pennington take the snap from under Center which gave the defense precious extra time to get to him and rattle our QB.

The offensive game plan should have looked like it did in the end (when we were actually moving the ball). We should have left CP in the shotgun and split 4-5 WR's out at a time and threw short passes. We should have dink and dunked them the whole game.

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: January 05, 2009 03:03AM

Ted Ginn was double covered all day by one of the CB's and Ed Reed....EVERY PLAY! TO come away with the catches he had gives me hope for him. We need a legitimate #1 WR that demands the double team taking it away from Ginn. Ginn would blossom.

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: Northeast Fin Fan ()
Date: January 05, 2009 03:03AM

Ginn is a good second year WR. His stats back that up. His catch percentage also backs that up. He caught 60% of the balls thrown to him this year. That number is right in line with the top WRs in the game. Add to that the fact that Ginn runs a lot of deep routes and his QB is not great at the deep ball, and I think he did very well this year.

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: ginnsucks ()
Date: January 05, 2009 03:04AM

ejay Wrote:
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>
> Have you ever been kicked in the heel while
> running full speed? If you had, you wouldn't be
> making these comments.

I have, and I am not even a professional athlete paid millions (or at least hundreds of thousands) to be at the top of my game. You are making much more of this contact than I saw, I don't see any further reason to debate. The disconnect is not what happened, but our interpretation of what happened with Ginn.

> Furthermore, Ginn had ZERO chance to make a play
> on the ball even if he did manage to stay on his
> feet because his QB threw the ball 3-4 yards to
> far to the inside. Ginn HAD separation. A ball
> thrown in between the sideline and numbers results
> in only Ted Ginn having a shot at making the play
> (assuming he didn't get tripped up). At worst, it
> would have been an incomplete pass.

Here we disagree again. You asked me if I've ever run, I'll ask you if you've ever played in a defensive backfield. Ginn did not have downfield separation. He had slant or quick out separation, the kind of separation that gives the QB a seam but that needs a quick hit so that the dbacks cannot respond. The separation you saw was an illusion brought on by the fact that Ed Reed was playing the ball better than Ginn was out of Pennington's arm. So maybe he had separation with Flacco or an in his prime Marino or someone else who can put heat on the ball 40 yards downfield. Even then I think it's a little dicey, there is still the safety over the top and the CB was no more than half a step out of pace - how else would there be an incidental trip?

Running a route that needs a perfect throw to be a completion is not getting separation, this is where our opinions differ again, I guess.

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: January 05, 2009 03:05AM

NEFF is exactly right. But you know what the problem is, NEFF?



People dont want to hear what you just said. There are Ted Ginn haters around here if he caught 100 balls they would find a problem with the 3 he dropped.

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: Northeast Fin Fan ()
Date: January 05, 2009 03:07AM

"ginnsucks" as a user name. I guess we shouldn't expect objectivity.

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: January 05, 2009 03:07AM

my point exactly.

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: Northeast Fin Fan ()
Date: January 05, 2009 03:08AM

Aqua, it's a no-win argument with the Ginn haters. I'm done with this conversation.

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: ginnsucks ()
Date: January 05, 2009 03:08AM

Maybe not, but what is wrong with my last post, NEFF?

I'm talking about specific plays. You want to talk about those or do you want to trade insults?

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: Northeast Fin Fan ()
Date: January 05, 2009 03:16AM

I'm not interested in trading insults. I just think your view of Ginn slants your assessment of the plays in question.

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Re: Every throw to the Ginn Family is an INT
Posted by: eesti ()
Date: January 05, 2009 07:56AM

The pass to Ginn was awfull. It was 10 yards inside of where he should of been. The CB covering Ginn couldn't have even made that catch.

The handoff to Ginn was not Chad's or Ginn's fault. He had no time to hand it off becasue of the pass rush up the middle. He couldn't even make the handoff...he had to pitch it back. The blame goes to the interior offensive line...Satele & Alleman who were getting manhandled all day.

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