BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> Vets:
> Davone Bess – easily our best receiver
> Brian Hartline – the big unknown. Will he ever
> practice again?
> Legedu Naanee – acts like a Pro. And seems a
> lock for a spot.
>
> Unless Hartline flat-lines, that’s 3 WR’s.
> Legedu has a leg up on Hartline by default. Bess
> is just a real PRO! We need about 3 or 4 more just
> like him (except in variant physical models).
> Legedu is very solid journeyman who might be a
> very solid #3. Obviously, in the traditional
> sense, there isn’t a “#1” among this group.
>
> Roster spots: 3
>
>
> Limited Experience:
> Chris Hogan – seems to be the best of this
> group. Steady practice producer.
> Julius Pruitt – The best of our “stashed”
> talent and probably makes the team
> Marlon Moore – Doesn’t seem capable of taking
> the next big step.
> Roberto Wallace – Looks like Tarzan. Too often
> plays like Jane.
> Clyde Gates – Not an NFL player at this point.
> And probably never will be.
>
> Hogan this and Hogan that. Are the coaches afraid
> to let this kid run with the #1s? One thing for
> sure, this kid gets OPEN and consistently catches
> the ball. More than you can say about the rest of
> this group. Of the remaining “talent” Pruitt
> has the best chance to be a real Pro and
> contribute successfully. Gates is a joke. Wallace
> is still deciding if he’s a real footballer or
> fashion model. Marlon Moore has a low probability
> to sneak through. I don’t believe any of these
> guys are eligible for PS. Even so, barring
> something unforeseen, we’ll keep Hogan because
> there’s no way he clears waivers.
>
> Roster spots: 2
>
> Rookies:
> Jeff Fuller – Probably the best upside at the
> position.
> Rishard Matthews – He’s a football player.
> BJ Cunningham – Seems to be developing.
>
> Roster spots: 1
>
> All 3 of these dudes would benefit from a year
> stashed on the PS. But I don’t think they would
> collectively clear waivers. Fuller has the benefit
> of knowing the system and having the inside track
> with the coaching staff. I think at this point
> Matthews and Cunningham have shown legitimate NFL
> potential and are willing to do whatever is
> necessary to play in the league. Matthews is a
> superior athlete and has excellent YAC potential,
> which makes his a quality choice for the WC.
>
>
> Bottom line:
>
> WRs on the opening day roster:
>
> Davone Bess
> Brian Hartline
> Legedu Naanee
> Chris Hogan
> Julius Pruitt
> Jeff Fuller
>
> Practice Squad:
>
> Rishard Matthews (but he might sneak on the
> roster)
> BJ Cunningham
>
> Chances are we’re in the market for WR talent
> next draft…
>
> BNF.




I don't believe there's any chance that fuller beats out Roberto Wallace at this point.

I think we go with:

Bess
Hartline
Naanee
Pruitt
Wallace
Moore or hogan.

I think they try to stash fuller, Matthews a Cunningham on the practice squad and one gets poached.

chances are we pick one up when first cuts come. You know there is better talent out there on a team stacked with WR's. Good thing we are early in line for waivers.

Naanee has been dropping lots of balls lately in practice.

Clyde looked good in practice today after returning from hammy.

We need help. I don't think "ankle weights" Wallace (coaches term) makes the team unless he has a couple more big PS games.

Hartline injury sux. He is better than Naanee IMO. Could have used the off season work though.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

......Chris Hogan – seems to be the best of this group. Steady practice producer.



They were saying on hardknocks that he was open all the time.

eesti Wrote:
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> chances are we pick one up when first cuts come.
> You know there is better talent out there on a
> team stacked with WR's. Good thing we are early in
> line for waivers.
>
> Naanee has been dropping lots of balls lately in
> practice.
>
> Clyde looked good in practice today after
> returning from hammy.
>
> We need help. I don't think "ankle weights"
> Wallace (coaches term) makes the team unless he
> has a couple more big PS games.
>
> Hartline injury sux. He is better than Naanee IMO.
> Could have used the off season work though.


I think he Wallace thing is overrated and a bit of a product of hbo editing.

Keep in mind those comments came prior to last weeks game (we don't know when) and he was our leading receiver on Friday so he was getting open.

Can't see us cutting a guy with his upside in his 3rd year after making good progress just because he's not quite there yet.

I don't recall hearing fuller making any plays this offseason. I highly doubt he gets kept over wallace, moore, or pruitt. and I think Rishard Matthews (can return kicks) or Cunningham makes it over him too.

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

I want to love Wallace but the kid is missing something... He's in his 3rd year and the coaching staff is still trying to get to his "potential." Yea, the dude looks like a monster... and comes to play now and then. But I think consistency wins (essential in this system) and too many ups and downs = you’re gone.

If Wallace brings it consistently he’ll make the team. But I think he’s proven to be inconsistent and that will be the deciding factor. My opinion of course.

Last, if it’s really close (say between Fuller and someone like Wallace) I think Fuller gets the benefit of the doubt because he’s (a) younger and (b) has more upside on his growth curve.

Regretfully guys like Wallace and Moore have not “taken charge” and claimed a spot, and that means other dudes deserve the chance.

It will be interesting to watch things unfold. My hope is that a few guys bubble-up to the top and make the decisions rather obvious. Right now it’s definitely too foggy because no one seems to be really taking charge. That opens the door for a surprise or two.

To be honest, I’m more concerned/bummed with the news about the TEs. Egnew looks like a bust right now. I had high hopes for the kid but so far he’s too dumb for the Pros.

From what I have read Cunnungham is considered the worst of the entire bunch. Not much chance he makes it on the 53.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

eesti Wrote:
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> From what I have read Cunnungham is considered the
> worst of the entire bunch. Not much chance he
> makes it on the 53.


I dont know what type of receveiver cunningham is but from what i saw in the first pre season game he catches everything thrown to him and is not afraid to get hit.


I really hope we dont put him on the practice squad and another team signs him.

I know we have some receivers with potential and a couple of gems might get away though.


JUst hoping the coaches make the right decisions as far as who they keep.

Maybe they can keep 6 receiver this year. I think they ussualy keep 5.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/15/2012 08:12AM by samsam3738.

You certainly won't see Cunningham jumping around like a scared pheasant trying to make catches the way Johnson was. Cunningham is pretty tough footballer and isn’t afraid of contact underneath and/or over the middle. His college production was very good and the kid is a gamer. The “knock” on him is the lack of explosiveness and top gear. But he’s a capable receiver otherwise, and the dudes with the best physical chops are not always the best players. The NFL is overly infatuated with physical specs and often misses the simple point is a player is a REAL PLAYER or just a fancy physical specimen.

It’s really something how so many coaches and especially personnel guys are in love with certain attributes like 6 4 220 4.5 speed 3 cone monster with long pinky nails. And then you look at guys like Zack or Welker or Bess or whoever isn’t the perfect prototype and all these guys do is play at a high level.

i hated the Egnew pick when it was made, and hate it still

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

PLus a 4.47 is very fast.

Just hoping they make the right decisions with the receivers we have.

I think Cunningham is more like a 4.6 guy than 4.4...

He's definitely NOT a burner but has decent play speed and obviously young legs. Getting open is more important anyway and then (our big problem?) you gotta catch the pig!

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> I think Cunningham is more like a 4.6 guy than
> 4.4...
>
> He's definitely NOT a burner but has decent play
> speed and obviously young legs. Getting open is
> more important anyway and then (our big problem?)
> you gotta catch the pig!


Oronde gadsgen was prove that getting open is more important than speed.

Now the complete opposite of Oronde gadsgen is someone like clyde gates. Who is is jeaopardy of not making the phins team even though we do not have any good receivers.

And clyde gates is a burner.

How can he be a 4.6 guy if he ran a 4.47? It's a gauge of straight line, no pads, speed. There is no measure of speed for padded players on a football field.

Maybe Gates needs to get some pointers from Hogan.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

eesti Wrote:
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> How can he be a 4.6 guy if he ran a 4.47? It's a
> gauge of straight line, no pads, speed. There is
> no measure of speed for padded players on a
> football field.
>
> Maybe Gates needs to get some pointers from Hogan.


I think you are born with the gift......you either get open or you do not.
Not every player has that ability thats why so many players with 4.4 speed get cut.

I think getting open might be more teachable than lets say teaching a pitcher to throw 99 MPH....Now thats imposible...

But i think it applies to both....Again You have to be born with the gift.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Oronde gadsgen was prove that getting open is more
> important than speed.
>
The only reason Oronde was ever open was because CBs couldn't cover the space 10 feet over his head. Oronde succeeded because he was big, had a tremendous vertical leap, and had hands like glue. We have no one to compare to him now..unfortunately,

thats why I use MULTIPLE credible sources and me common scent as well...

If BJ ran a legit 4.4 he'd be LONG GONE by R6.

4.4 is burner speed and the kid ain't never showed that.

But hey, lets hope modern Pro chemicals work for the dude!

BNF.

Naanee has a career total of 107 receptions and 4 TD's in 5 years!

If he is going to be our 1-2, we are in trouble

jlyell13 Wrote:
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> Naanee has a career total of 107 receptions and 4
> TD's in 5 years!
>
> If he is going to be our 1-2, we are in trouble


How can you doubt Legedu? He is kicking ass in preseason so far with 1 reception for 12 yards.

Yea Naanee and Hartline 2 of out top 3 WR's? have 1 reception in preseason!