Ronnie Brown was pretty effective running the formation but he was not a threat to throw the ball.

Sparano's Pat White experiment failed miserably but now he has Tim Tebow who weighs 250 lbs at 6'2 and runs a 4.6 40.

Can we defend a guy that can run and pass like Tebow? Granted he is not a great passer but he can throw it and he nows how to get the job done.

No matter what you say about him, the guy is a winner.

Sparano must be foaming at the mouth to play us this year.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

Defenses have, for the most part, figured out the Wildcat. If Sparano really thinks he can run it successfully in NY, he's going to be sorely disappointed. Tebow would be more effective in a Jim Jenson role than running the Wildcat.

If WE can't defend the Wildcat against a guy who was our HC for 3 years, then we're really going to suck!

Just study the Pats playoff game against Denver last season. And The Pats Don't have a great defense. Plus we now have the surprise element gone. They take out Siesta Sanchez and Tebow goes in.......guess whats coming?

Yes we can.

We shut Tebow out and down last year until we went to a prevent defense with 5 min to go.

He didnt hurt us at all with any of that gimmick stuff.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Yes we can.
>
> We shut Tebow out and down last year until we went
> to a prevent defense with 5 min to go.
>
> He didnt hurt us at all with any of that gimmick
> stuff.


Totally different defense and cordinator.. What we did last year under Nolan doesnt necessarily translate to what Coyle will be able to do with this defense... Certain aspect will be stronger, but I would guess other aspects of the defense will be weaker.. Can Coyle stuff the run like Nolan did?

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TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Just study the Pats playoff game against Denver
> last season. And The Pats Don't have a great
> defense.

Exactly what I was thinking. The Pats made Tebow look silly.

The Bronco's didn't run the WC. More of an adaptation of the option, correct?

No unbalanced line.

When TS ran it here we always had one "dead" player. Usually Chad Pennington who basically did nothing except on the plays that were designed as sort of a flea flicker. We only ran that play once or twice as I remember.

Teams were able to defend it because they could stack the line b/c of no fear of the pass. Not the case when the main WC guy can throw it.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Can Coyle stuff the run like
> Nolan did?

As long as we have Soliai inside, we can stuff the run up-the-middle. It's runs around the end that worry me. We weren't that good at stuffing that under Nolan either.

Why is there assumptions,

1) Tebow will beat out Sanchez

2) that Sparano will be allowed to f_ up the Jets with the Wildcat as he did with the Dolphins????????

Tebow does not need to run THE FORMAL WILDCAT in order for him to be as effective as the Wildcat attempts to be.

He is a natural "Wildcat" himself as a QB. As you yourself pointed out above, Denver did not run a Wildcat.

Tebow was just effective at running and passing after his options are covered. That may have had similarities in bottom line results with the Wildcat but was not the same.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Why is there assumptions,
>
> 1) Tebow will beat out Sanchez
>
> 2) that Sparano will be allowed to f_ up the Jets
> with the Wildcat as he did with the
> Dolphins????????
>
> Tebow does not need to run THE FORMAL WILDCAT in
> order for him to be as effective as the Wildcat
> attempts to be.
>
> He is a natural "Wildcat" himself as a QB. As you
> yourself pointed out above, Denver did not run a
> Wildcat.
>
> Tebow was just effective at running and passing
> after his options are covered. That may have had
> similarities in bottom line results with the
> Wildcat but was not the same.

Great points chyren. I'm sure the Jets will have a "wildcat" package but it will likely just be modified plays they already run with maybe a couple staple wildcat read options/PA possibilities. Which is basically what Denver did last year. Denver modified a bunch of their plays to fit Tebow, installed a few read options, and went with it. I wouldn't expect to see anything too different from what we saw in Denver last year. It's not like the Jets new OC is an offensive mastermind or anything.

LOL.

Tebow is up to 250 pounds. He will be effective on 3rd downs when short yardage is needed. But if he goes to throw look for interception after interception.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Tebow is up to 250 pounds.

Must be all that time hanging out with Rex Ryan. "More donuts, Tim?"

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yes we can.
> >
> > We shut Tebow out and down last year until we
> went
> > to a prevent defense with 5 min to go.
> >
> > He didnt hurt us at all with any of that
> gimmick
> > stuff.
>
>
> Totally different defense and cordinator.. What we
> did last year under Nolan doesnt necessarily
> translate to what Coyle will be able to do with
> this defense... Certain aspect will be stronger,
> but I would guess other aspects of the defense
> will be weaker.. Can Coyle stuff the run like
> Nolan did?


True.


But the question was: "can" we stop the wildcat?

Not "Will" we stop the wildcat.

I don't think the jets will run the same wildcat we ran. I believe they will merge aspects of it with the option packages Tebow had success with at Florida and Denver.

"Can" we stop it? Sure, we have a talented defense that has had success stopping him in the past.

"Will" we stop it??? That remains to be seen.

The question is, can anyone NOT defend the Wildcat. That formation took a few teams by surprise three years ago. But since everyone remembered how to defend the single wing, it has become obvious why it went extinct in the first place.

I can't believe the Wildcat is still being brought up.


It's dead. Nobody uses it.

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The Jets could be a must better team if they can somehow move the chains on the ground more.

Their defense has been good, but oftne couldn't control the clock. I think Tebow could be a help to them, but expect teams will figure it out.

As stated by others above, Tebow brings a dimension we never had to the spread offense. That with a decent defense could be more formidable than Denver was last years against high octane offense like the Pats.

That said, it kills the momentum when you change offenses back and forth. I predict that Tebow wins the job by mid season. For that reason and also that I'm not much of a fan of Sanchez.

I saw sparks from Sanchez and have a feeling he will quit playing Hollywood and buckle down now that there's a new rooster in the hen house.

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

I think he is hollywood and is unlikely to be able to change his stripes.

Does he have a better arm than Tebow? - Yes
He however seems to crumble when the pressure is applied.

One thing we haven't discussed so much is what about when you have both Tebow and Sanchez in there?

- The pitch to Tebow going left becomes a tough coverage task, as he can run or pass a lot better than Ronnie or any Phin could, and is a formidable run threat as well.

- In such a scenario, you are not disrupting the rythm of the QB, just adding the run pass threat option ...