While I agree with the Title, I respectfully have to take exception to the content of this column.

Let me say first that Chris usually writes pretty good stuff, that of which I typically see as yes, good, insightfull etc..

Respectfully, I have to say this one tends to box the Miami FO in with a lose lose and constraining theme of gee you have to take Tannehill or no one is coming to the games, and the sky is falling.

To all ... It's not the end of the world if the 3rd best QB in the draft isn't worth spending a number 8 on for value, and we take someone else, trade down what ever.

I don't care for making a panic decision because the public perception is we need the 3rd best QB.

Hoping the Miamim draft team sees what comes and makes a quality choice that helps the team get better. I truly will not lose any respect if they don't go QB for the the first pick or even in this draft at all.

Hey, the 3rd best QB in 2004 wasn't so bad. Big Ben has already won more than Eli or Rivers. You never know!

Again, if we don't pick Tannehill then Ireland and the FO will be hammered FO not being able to land a QB...

And I they do, they will be hammered for "reaching" for "a project player".


Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

The 3rd best in 2008 was Chad Henne....
I just think the whole qb search, and draft, is over hyped reached... Everybody thinks becasue it is now a QB driven throwing league, that their value has gone up... But that doesnt mean that anymore QB's are going to be successful, just becasue the leauge has changed and the demand is greater..lol... Only one time in 20 years has three QB's drafted in the first rd been considered franchsie QB's...And that was big Ben, Eli, and Rivers... I am just not so sure the likelihood of it happening again... The odds of 3 QB,s drafted in the first rd, rising to the hype is about a 1/20 shot at best... Yet draft pundits, every year talk about alot of guys, more then 3, as going be successful, and make it, help the franchise....lol
On the other side, Shashaty is right about the business side of things for Ross.

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That's right A & O, so no sense getting our panties in a bunch, cause there will be some part of the media just looking for the negative.

Not suggesting at all that Shashaty is that way, as noted he's usually positive, I respectfully explained my issue with the article.

The media in general however in miami are know it all whiners looking to dictate the decisions or complain about it.

win-win for media who have no responsibility, just the bully pulpit.

*** We're gonna get better, whether we take a QB or not.

Whatever decision they come too Thursday night, i'm pretty confident it wont have anything to do with fan pressure, it'll be a football decision based on who they (Ireland and Co.) believe is best for the team. End of story.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> The 3rd best in 2008 was Chad Henne....

Yes, but 2008 was a terrible year for QBs. Matt Ryan wasn't anywhere near the QB that Luck and RGIII were in college. Flacco wasn't taken until #18, and the 3rd QB taken (Henne) didn't get chosen until the 2nd round.

I brought up 2004 because 3 QBs were taken in the first 11 picks, with huge hype coming from the #1 pick (Eli). I think that makes a better comparison to this year with Luck expected to go #1. In fact, we could have 4 QBs go in the first round this year just like what happened in 2004 (Eli/Rivers/Big Ben/Losman vs- Luck/RGIII/Tannehill/Weeden)

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> Whatever decision they come too Thursday night,
> i'm pretty confident it wont have anything to do
> with fan pressure, it'll be a football decision
> based on who they (Ireland and Co.) believe is
> best for the team. End of story.


I hope you are right, I dont think it will be fan pressure, I think it will be felt pressure and risk, from everybody's boss....the owner..... who many believe,even Adam Schefter reporting, he hears Ross is pushing for Tannehill to be the pick..

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According to Mike Lombardi of the NFL Network, we have been planning on selecting Ryan Tannehill since the offseason began.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Crowder52 Wrote:
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>
,even Adam Schefter reporting, he
> hears Ross is pushing for Tannehill to be the
> pick..

This is the stuff that really gets under my skin.

And I'm not just talking about crowders post, but the way pundits and writers abuse the truth.

Adam schefter didn't say ross is "pushing" for Tannehill. He said he heard the owner wants the qb.

HUGE difference between wanting some thing and pushing for it.

Hell, anyone with the memory of a lava lamp could tell you Ross WANTS a qb. Its all hes talked about since december. and since Tannehill is the next one up on the list of possibilities it doesn't take a "league insider" to draw the obvious conclusion that Ross WANTS Tannehill.

But there is a WORLD of difference between wanting and PUSHING for a guy.

Christ all mighty, the notion that Ross has to "push" for anyone is ridiculous to the extreme! He's the OWNER. If he wants a guy he doesn't have to debate the merits of his guy over irelands guy. He just says "we are taking player x. End of discussion".

This is the iggest Non-story, media driven, bunch of pre draft bullcrap in recent memory.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> This is the stuff that really gets under my
> skin.
>
> And I'm not just talking about crowders post, but
> the way pundits and writers abuse the truth.
>
> Adam schefter didn't say ross is "pushing" for
> Tannehill. He said he heard the owner wants the
> qb.
>

You know what gets under my skin your semantics argument... WHen you dont like what is being reported..lol... Schefter and Florio both made reports Ross wants Tannehill, ROss pulling for tannehill.....etc ...the story is the story which ever word you want to choose... But i doubt Schefter and Florio would continue to refute what Ross wrote to Florio and published.. if it wasnt a factor, somebody close to Ross/Ireland is telling them this, or they wouldnt be reporting it... after Ross refuted it... Ireland himself say Mr Ross is very involved and will be next to him in the draft room on draft day... smh

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/25/2012 12:10PM by Crowder52.

Ask yourself this Truth, Are there any other owners who are in this situation, as Ross finds himself in again... Are there any other owners who are writing a letter this draft to Florio and Profootball talk, denying, his influence on the draft or who he wants and why.... Why? All of this because nothing has happened regarding it behind the scenes, I find that hard to believe... Either that or Ireland is using Ross to orchestrate all of this as a smokescreen, for what he wants people to believe.... but at this point it would be one hell of a smokescreen even for this time of year...

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/25/2012 12:18PM by Crowder52.

Truth > This is the iggest Non-story, media driven, bunch of pre draft bullcrap in recent memory.

News alert - Almost all of them fit that label these days.
- News agencies have gotten lazy and regurgitate each others BS instead of reporting facts.

- Take a look at all the predictions about manning, as if they knew, and then all the wild screaming at the FO when itdidn't turn out how they predicted it would

A sad but accurate account of what sports reporting has become on the whole ... yes there are a few good ones still out there, but those who exercise restraint, end up getting scooped and before you know it, they all play the game.

The talking heads need to be given the credit they deserve (not much more), cause in ten seconds they are off to the new news of the moment.
- Without the slightest remorse over the truth about what they reported yesterday

Present company of the minority good guys out there excluded

Crowder if you can't see the difference between pushing for a guy and wanting a guy or being involved in the discussions as all owners are then you are part of the problem, not the solution.

You believe this crap because you WANT to. It fits yor perception of Ross, right or wrong.

He's an easy target because we suck and he's a new owner with a fanbase tired of jerking off to Dan Marino videos when the rest of the world has moved on to DVD and digital porn.

But ask yourself this, and after you answer please explain it to me:

Why does Ross have to "push" for a qb? He's the FREAKIN owner!

IF he has a strong enough opinion or desire for a Player why does he have to debate the point with an employee? ESPECIALLY if Ireland is on the hot seat as you continuously suggest?

It's nonsense crowder. It just doesn't add up.

It's an erroneous report which is pre draft bull shit. That's bad enough. But he fact that fans like you buy it hook line and sinker is a whole nother ball of wax.

You should read salgueros article on pre draft smoke screens. You dismiss it because you don't like him. But that doesn't change the fact that he's right.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> But ask yourself this, and after you answer please
> explain it to me:
>
> Why does Ross have to "push" for a qb? He's the
> FREAKIN owner!
>
> IF he has a strong enough opinion or desire for a
> Player why does he have to debate the point with
> an employee? ESPECIALLY if Ireland is on the hot
> seat as you continuously suggest?
>
> It's nonsense crowder. It just doesn't add up.
>
>
> It's an erroneous report which is pre draft bull
> shit. That's bad enough. But he fact that fans
> like you buy it hook line and sinker is a whole
> nother ball of wax.
>

1) Because Ross is the owner, he is not a football expert, he is a businessmann with a business and fanbase that is waining...It is not his job to pick players..It is what he pays Ireland to do, but he also I believe will have an influence on Ireland as any boss would have an influence on a guy that wants to keep his job and make his boss happy. That is why

2) Maybe it is all a smokescreen, but you ask yourself, if Ireland wants Tannehill what smokescreen benefit is there with this Ross story coming out, unless it is to make people think we are likely to take him... which is not what you want, people knowing your hand predraft

3) Huizenge didnt sit in the draft room, next to the GM. Huizenga didnt make comments about players in the draft, Huizenga didnt write a letter to a reporter, denying his influence on football operations days before a draft...

Sorry but I believe in this case rather then a smokescreen, it is more about where there is continous smoke, there is likely a fire... I hope you are right this is all a Tannehill smokescreen, and we are really trading back to 14. ...

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > But ask yourself this, and after you answer
> please
> > explain it to me:
> >
> > Why does Ross have to "push" for a qb? He's
> the
> > FREAKIN owner!
> >
> > IF he has a strong enough opinion or desire for
> a
> > Player why does he have to debate the point
> with
> > an employee? ESPECIALLY if Ireland is on the
> hot
> > seat as you continuously suggest?
> >
> > It's nonsense crowder. It just doesn't add up.
>
> >
> >
> > It's an erroneous report which is pre draft
> bull
> > shit. That's bad enough. But he fact that
> fans
> > like you buy it hook line and sinker is a whole
> > nother ball of wax.
> >
>
> 1) Because Ross is the owner, he is not a football
> expert, he is a businessmann with a business and
> fanbase that is waining...It is not his job to
> pick players..It is what he pays Ireland to do,
> but he also I believe will have an influence on
> Ireland as any boss would have an influence on a
> guy that wants to keep his job and make his boss
> happy. That is why
>

So your theory is that Ross is going to try to trick Ireland into taking the guy he wants and failing htat he's going to hold the specter of unemployment over his head if Ireland doesn't read between the lines correctly.

lol...sure he is.



> 2) Maybe it is all a smokescreen, but you ask
> yourself, if Ireland wants Tannehill what
> smokescreen benefit is there with this Ross story
> coming out, unless it is to make people think we
> are likely to take him... which is not what you
> want, people knowing your hand predraft


Ahh...there's the rub.

Florio, who started this nonsense about ross "PUSHING" for Tannehill, did not say his source was tied to the dolphins. He said it was an "NFL Source".

Miami didn't leak this bullshit. as you pointed out, it doesn't benefit us to put a stopry like this out there.

What actually happened, is what ALWAYS happens this time of year: Somebody that is trying to convince a team behind us jump ahead of us by trading with them made up this steaming pile of horse manure and fed it to a guy with the journalisim scruples of a fox news executive.

That completely fabricated original report came fro Minnesota, Cleveland, St Louis, or Jax. Its been propped up by fans like yourself and certain "media members" conflating "pushing for" with "wanting" a QB because some actual reporters have said ross wants a QB...which is simply a regurgitation of what Ross has said himself since the season ended.

montequi Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The 3rd best in 2008 was Chad Henne....
>
> Yes, but 2008 was a terrible year for QBs. Matt
> Ryan wasn't anywhere near the QB that Luck and
> RGIII were in college. Flacco wasn't taken until
> #18, and the 3rd QB taken (Henne) didn't get
> chosen until the 2nd round.
>
> I brought up 2004 because 3 QBs were taken in the
> first 11 picks, with huge hype coming from the #1
> pick (Eli). I think that makes a better
> comparison to this year with Luck expected to go
> #1. In fact, we could have 4 QBs go in the first
> round this year just like what happened in 2004
> (Eli/Rivers/Big Ben/Losman vs-
> Luck/RGIII/Tannehill/Weeden)

actually, i think henne went 4th, that scrub from louisville gb picked to unseat rogers who actually ended up losing out to matt flynn, taken in the 7th the same year

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> actually, i think henne went 4th, that scrub from
> louisville gb picked to unseat rogers who actually
> ended up losing out to matt flynn, taken in the
> 7th the same year

That's right, but it's moot anyway. Brohm was taken immediately before Henne in the 2nd round.

If you have some stones, all this bruhaha is actually good for the Fins.

You however have some fans & most of the media so worried about whether the dolphins FO does what the media and outspoken fans say of think about draft selections that they lose focus on the experts they pay to do that.

For me: I like where we are and as stated feel no pressure about taking or not taking Tannehill ... if we do it for the reasons stated (Media prognostication and fan support, buying tickets, restoring hope or any of that crap) we will have made a mistake ...

As stated by Truth I think, some of us actually buoy the media with over-reacting to what the talking heads predict or try to sell ... I for one, think our scouting team is better. We are uniquely informed on Tannehill's good and bad.

It is time for Ireland to deliver ... and he will but not because we need to pander to the ill informed.

Just my opinion

Well,

What a difference in both media and fan perceptions pre vs post draft.

In whole the fact that Miami drafted Tannehill does not in my opinion make him a better GM, but rather underscores that he had a plan and stuck with it.

Thye issue was never a crisis with Ireland but an immature and frustrated fan base & media mouthpieces that feel like they have to extend thier wishes onto the people paid to do that job.

The more I've seen of Tannehill, the better I feel about the pick. But in whole I think the complete draft plan to fill out weaknesses and make us better was well diguised and well executed!

Let's hope they pan out !

Phinjim,
Ireland made his draft, what sense is it to debate the success or failure of his draft at this point... It is easy to claim victory for a draft, months before the players even get on the field in their first game, let alone, really after 3 years of development who panned vs out who didnt... It is sense less. It is wait and see at this point... As I said in another post months back, Ireland drafting Tannehill bought him the most time, while people are filled with hype, and reality is years away...We only have one player still on the team from the 2008 draft. I am curious how many players are still going to be on the team, from the 2009 draft after this year. Then 2010 the following year and the 2011 draft picks the year after that, and finally after all that and another year, we can get to debating the success of the 2012 draft...
Can you honestly predict which players panned out from last years draft a year later? Alot of maybe's and hopefully's, other then Pouncey. That being said, I do like that Ireland hasnt missed on a 1st rd pick yet IMO, you cant afford to miss in that rd, Mueller/Saban/ SPielman, didnt do so hot with those 1st rd picks. Ireland has clearly been better in that rd...

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Fair enough Crowder, I agree the proof is in the pudding.

I think however looking at the targeted plan that he and philbin executed on what they think they need.

Winning would give the team a chance to do what ever they want to ... IE if veterat QBs win, they'll have a chance to bring RT along until he's ready.

I for one am fairly positive more so for the coaching change and offensive scheme, but like all of us we need to win for it to mean anything.