I thought about this for a couple of days now...

If I were the dolphins GM...I would try as hard as possible to trade down to 14....

Especially if I wanted to draft tannehil in the first round..

Dallas is a great candidate to trade down with...

None of the teams between 9 and 13 really need a 1st round qb...

Carolina -> no
Seattle -> no
Arizona-> no
Buffalo -> no
Jets -> no

That would allow us to pick up an extra 2nd rounder and still draft tannehil.


Anybody agree!

I think Ireland doesn't have the guts to pull off a move like I am suggesting...

Arizona and the Jets both do not have a QB they can rely on or solid #1 starter. SO they could draft him, also any of those teams could trade out for someone that wanted him before our pick... WHich is fine with me, there will be some great players at 14, I would do it in a second, but I would ask for more then just a second rd pick

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Actually,

Draft value chart has #8 at 1400 and number #14 at 1100

A mid 2nd rounder equals about 400....

Therefore trading down to 14 and netting an extra 2nd rounder is a good deal!

You missed the Chiefs at #11, and they have shown a lot of interest in Tannehill. Seattle has also shown a ton of interest in him. Arizona and Buffalo can't be ruled out, either.

Chiefs included have a young qb...that they invested a ton of $$$ in...

I do not believe they will reach for tannehill...who is a question mark!

If they want him in the first round you don't get cute about it, take him at #8, if they're willing to gamble on losing him then I doubt they take him at #14.

steviec13 Wrote:
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> I thought about this for a couple of days now...
>
> If I were the dolphins GM...I would try as hard as
> possible to trade down to 14....

try to trade down to #14? What if they don't want to trade up? Who is the player the Cowboys are going to cough up a 2nd round pick to move up 6 spots to land??


>
> Especially if I wanted to draft tannehil in the
> first round..


If we trade down you can forget about tannehill. I suppose we could get lucky, but expecting to trade down and still get the guy you should take at #8 is fantasy.



>
> Dallas is a great candidate to trade down with...
>
> None of the teams between 9 and 13 really need a
> 1st round qb...
>
> Carolina -> no
> Seattle -> no
> Arizona-> no
> Buffalo -> no
> Jets -> no
>

KC, Seattle, Arizona are all looking for a Franchise QB. Yes, they have high paid veterans right now but they all suck.



>
> I think Ireland doesn't have the guts to pull off
> a move like I am suggesting...

You are wrong. He already has.



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steviec13 Wrote:
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> Chiefs included have a young qb...that they
> invested a ton of $$$ in...
>
> I do not believe they will reach for
> tannehill...who is a question mark!


Tannehill is not a reach. He is consistently ranked among the top 10 players in this draft by any of the more reputable analysts.

The Chiefs are not happy with Matt Cassel. Romeo Crennel has criticized his consistency. Crennel said he wouldn't be the coach if not for Kyle Orton's play. They tried to keep Orton. They pursued Peyton Manning. They met with RG3. They have done a ton of work on Tannehill. And there is a rumor that they have talked to the Rams about trading up to take Tannehill in front of us.

Their investment in Cassel is irrelevant. They have already paid him $40M of his contract. At this point, he could be cut for a relatively minor cap hit. And even if they kept him, the salary of the #11 pick is less than you would normally pay a good backup veteran QB, so there is no obstacle there.

61.6 completion percentage for a QB drafted #8 would be defined as a reach in every thing I have ever seen... How many QB's with completion percentages that low were drafted in the top 10? Probably zero,

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I've thought about it as well. If Osweiler is on the Radar at all we could certianly trade down. From what I understand we have 6 Elite players in this draft . If any of them are available we have a great chance of getting a Trade .

I hope so....we might get lucky, and tanehill will still be around...

I agree no guarantees...

Jerry jones has a history of keying in on a player that he covets... If he has to spend a 2nd to ensure he gets him...he will....

I think tanehill or osweiller are both equal crapshoots...



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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> 61.6 completion percentage for a QB drafted #8
> would be defined as a reach in every thing I have
> ever seen... How many QB's with completion
> percentages that low were drafted in the top 10?
> Probably zero,


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Crowder, just stop.

If you are so hell bent on this, go take a look at Dan Marino's college stats....

then come back and talk to me.

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> 61.6 completion percentage for a QB drafted #8
> would be defined as a reach in every thing I have
> ever seen... How many QB's with completion
> percentages that low were drafted in the top 10?
> Probably zero,


Wrong.
It's a lame argument. Most college offenses these days are the spread offense, with 4 and 5 WR, short, safe throws, designed to dramatically inflate completion percentages. Tannehill was playing in an NFL WCO. That means actually playing under center, with NFL routes, not the little dink and dunk passing game that permeates college football. And as mentioned elsewhere, Texas A&M had horrible receivers, leading the nation with 64 dropped passes. There is not one legit analyst who has criticized Tannehill's accuracy. In fact, it's the exact opposite, regarded as a strength.

It's a statistic that is completely meaningless without context. You could have a guy complete 70% of his passes in a gimmicky college offense, and he could be horribly inaccurate in a pro style offense.

If you went all the way back to 2011, you will find 2 QBs taken in the top 10 that completed less than 61% of their college passes. Matt Ryan only completed 60% of his collegiate passes, including 59% as a senior. And he went #2 overall. I guess he must have been a huge reach.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> 61.6 completion percentage for a QB drafted #8
> would be defined as a reach in every thing I have
> ever seen... How many QB's with completion
> percentages that low were drafted in the top 10?
> Probably zero,


"in everything you've ever seen?"

Any links?



Tannehill:

As a Jr in 2010 who started about half the games he had a 65% completion rate. In 2011 he played the whole season had a 61.6% completion rate. His career completion rate was 62.5%

Top 10 QB's just in the last 5 years:

Cam Newton: 1 year at Auburn...66.1%

Jake Locker: 58.2% as Jr (projected top two pick in the draft that year)... 55.4% as a senior. Career % well below 60%.

Blaine Gabbert: Sr year 63.4%

Sam Bradford: jr year was injured after game and a half but was under 60% at the time.

Matt Stafford: top overall pick...61.4% as SR....57.1% for his career.

Mark Sanchez: 65.8 as Jr.

Matt Ryan: 59.3% as Sr...61.7% as a Jr. 60.0% for career.


Seems you got some bad information Crowder, unless of course you don't consider Matt Ryan and Matt Stafford as worthy of being top ten selections.

Mark,

Just show them Dan Marino's college completition percentage and it will shut them up.

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dolfanmark Wrote:
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> Tannehill is not a reach. He is consistently
> ranked among the top 10 players in this draft by
> any of the more reputable analysts.

SB Nation has a report on today's website indicating that Tannehill has dropped out of the top 10. Of course, speculation but........

Trade down and pick up another 2. Coples, Floyd or Kirkpatrick could be some teams might target. If Richardson is there we could get some good offers

Chargers are always draft partners, have heard cowboys could.

Osweiler worked out for Denver last Friday

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> dolfanmark Wrote:
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> > Tannehill is not a reach. He is consistently
> > ranked among the top 10 players in this draft
> by
> > any of the more reputable analysts.
>
> SB Nation has a report on today's website
> indicating that Tannehill has dropped out of the
> top 10. Of course, speculation but........


Again, as I said, "reputable analysts." You know, people who are actually qualified to evaluate football talent.