Let me preface this by saying, i'm usually 100% wrong when I comment on a college players pro prospects, but I wasn't all that impressed with RG3 today.

Didn't see the game, but I did see that Texas dominated time of possession (38:30 to 21:30) yet still lost by 24 points. 48 points scored by Baylor. That's GOT to say something.

Turnovers. That was the something.

It was close for a while. That is until Texas became a turnover machine.

If Barkley decides to return to USC, then perhaps Sparano et al. shouldn't be fired just yet. And while we're at it we should borrow Curtis Painter from the Colts next year.



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dude passed for over 300 yards, 2 tds and ran for 2 more. completed 15-22 of his passes. sounds good to me.
I'll be watching landry jones tonight too, since rg3, jones, and barkley are our most likely targets

Yes, that is good. But I still have Drew Brees in my head from watching this past MNF game though. I guess I need to get back down to earth lol.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> dude passed for over 300 yards, 2 tds and ran for
> 2 more. completed 15-22 of his passes. sounds good
> to me.
> I'll be watching landry jones tonight too, since
> rg3, jones, and barkley are our most likely
> targets


I agree he put up good stats Berk, just his style of play I don't think translates too well to the NFL, ie; shot-gun every snap, runs alot of option, kinda on the small side, one year wonder. Like I said, my opinion will probably propel him to Canton but from the 1/2 a game I watched.......eh

wow happy my man RG3 is finally getting some love around here lol... This whole thing about how qb's "transition to the NFL" ,no disrespect, is the biggest mind job. Here is the reality, 75% of qb's in college have the potential to get drafted and be probowlers (yes disagree with me, no problem most people do cause they dont understand yet...) anyway. Maybe even more than 75% of college qb have that potential, however 100% of them needs to be coached up to the NFL game.

My point is NOONE can project or predict how a qb will transition to the NFL cause noone knows what team they will go to. And coaching staff and vet qb's are paramount for a young qb's development. He throws alot of deep ballls cause that is how the offense is run and in the "Pros" all throw the deep ball and RG3 is the best in the nation at that. Anyway the reason i liked this guy so long is because in my opinion he has alot more potential than any qb i have watched this year.

reppa I don't think it's overblown. pat white was a great college player but his game didn't translate at all

i went to rutgers so watched pat white from his rookie year, he ran the option with steve slaton for from his freshman to his junior year under rich rodriguez and he averaged about 140 yards passing, under 1 passing td and rushed for over 100 yards per game. He did not "try" to become a passing qb until rodriguez went to michigan and the new coach changed the offense. He made alot of progress his senior year, although i was rooting for him i knew he had no shot at being a NFL qb unless he sat for another 3 years...

We drafted him strickly to run the wildcat.

I'd really be hesitent to draft a QB that doesn't play in a pro-style offense. You know the Dolphins aren't going to line up in a spread formation every single down.

808phan Wrote:
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> I'd really be hesitent to draft a QB that doesn't
> play in a pro-style offense. You know the Dolphins
> aren't going to line up in a spread formation
> every single down.


Like i said this prostyle offense thing is the biggest mind job... uhh last time i checked USC runs a "pro style" offense and they dominated college football this past decade so lets run down the list of qb products they put out at there recent peak.

Mark sanchez, John David Booty, Matt Liener, Carson Plamer lol now you tell me which of these guys make you feel good about a pro style offense. Now Cam newton comes from a spread read style offense, lots of shot gun with lots of running backs for the option and you tell me how he is transitioning. The guy didnt even really take snaps from center!lol Dont get caught up in what you hear...

Pretty convenient to use USC for the example of running a pro style offense. lol

So let's look at an example of a shotgun snap on every down team. How about Bess's alma matter, UH?

His QB broke over 20 something NCAA passing records, was a Heisman finalist, yet he was snubbed by the NFL (drafted in the 6th round)because he was a system QB in a weak conference. The dude was great from the Shotgun, but his footwork & throwing mechanics (3/4 sidearm) were horrible. Still yet, he threw over 50 TD's in a season & was very accurate. He read the defense at the line, called his own plays from the line, knew who the hot read would be, all that good stuff. But in the end, none of that was good enough for the NFL. Hell, even Bess got snubbed too & wound up being a UDFA.

If I were a GM looking to draft a QB, I'd be looking for proven stability in the formations that the NFL uses. I wouldn't just want to hope that the player can grasp the concept & perform well with it. Ideally, I'd want a QB who's already proven to be a good drop back pocket passer, who plays well in the shotgun when needed, & who also has some good mobility and of course, accuracy & good decision making.

IMiami Reppa Wrote:
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> Now Cam newton comes from a spread read style
> offense, lots of shot gun with lots of running
> backs for the option and you tell me how he is
> transitioning. The guy didnt even really take
> snaps from center!lol Dont get caught up in what
> you hear...


So in one post you say "don't judge Dalton for 3 years" (which I happen to agree with), but in this post you're gonna use Cam Newtons half a year to support your argument, which is it?

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> IMiami Reppa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Now Cam newton comes from a spread read style
> > offense, lots of shot gun with lots of running
> > backs for the option and you tell me how he is
> > transitioning. The guy didnt even really take
> > snaps from center!lol Dont get caught up in
> what
> > you hear...
>
>
> So in one post you say "don't judge Dalton for 3
> years" (which I happen to agree with), but in
> this post you're gonna use Cam Newtons half a year
> to support your argument, which is it?


lol... you are right man good catch. But if you go back to my post i kinda went back on it cause i didnt realize that he threw the football so much and they are still winning. He is a bigger factor then i gave him credit for cause there running game is not that great. The way dalton is playing i would like to cut that number down to 2 years... but you are right man

Miami Reppa Wrote:
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> 808phan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Pretty convenient to use USC for the example of
> > running a pro style offense. lol
> >
> > So let's look at an example of a shotgun snap
> on
> > every down team. How about Bess's alma matter,
> UH?
> >
> >
> > His QB broke over 20 something NCAA passing
> > records, was a Heisman finalist, yet he was
> > snubbed by the NFL (drafted in the 6th
> > round)because he was a system QB in a weak
> > conference. The dude was great from the
> Shotgun,
> > but his footwork & throwing mechanics (3/4
> > sidearm) were horrible. Still yet, he threw
> over
> > 50 TD's in a season & was very accurate. He
> read
> > the defense at the line, called his own plays
> from
> > the line, knew who the hot read would be, all
> that
> > good stuff. But in the end, none of that was
> good
> > enough for the NFL. Hell, even Bess got snubbed
> > too & wound up being a UDFA.
> >
>
>
> your argument is EXACTLY my problem with qb
> drafting. For the life of me i dont understand
> why you would not take a first or second round fly
> on a guy that is in a offense that throws the
> football 50-60 times per game. These guys like
> timmy chang, colt brennan (who i believe would
> have been a beast if gotten a real chance), gram
> harrell... and now it is case keenam who might get
> drafted late cause people are finally starting to
> really look at these guys. I mean damn you have a
> guy that threw 9 TD in one game!!! how do you not
> atleast look at him. And brennan never got a
> chance to start how can you say he is horrible?
> cause if you watched he was destroying it in the
> preseason.
>
> Tell me the last qb from one of these schools that
> really got a chance to start in the NFL? if you
> dont have an example then how can you say they
> would not have been good? I can give you plenty
> of examples of guys that come from a pro style
> offense drafted top 10 and flopped.
>
> > If I were a GM looking to draft a QB, I'd be
> > looking for proven stability in the formations
> > that the NFL uses. I wouldn't just want to hope
> > that the player can grasp the concept & perform
> > well with it. Ideally, I'd want a QB who's
> already
> > proven to be a good drop back pocket passer,
> who
> > plays well in the shotgun when needed, & who
> also
> > has some good mobility and of course, accuracy
> &
> > good decision making.
>
> We have one of those guys his name is Chad henne,
> he played in a "pro style" offense for 4 years at
> michigan, how long has it taken him to "get" the
> system? That is the reason why i dont think we
> can develop a rookie qb.

we took one of those guys once. josh heuppel. he sucked

The facts are that odds are better taking the highly touted guys...it's still no guarantee though. Gems are always found in unlikely places. It'd be really nice if Moore continues to improve...we should still draft a somebody though, even if it's starting to look like we won't have a shot at the top two guys.

Miami Reppa Wrote:
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> your argument is EXACTLY my problem with qb
> drafting. For the life of me i dont understand
> why you would not take a first or second round fly
> on a guy that is in a offense that throws the
> football 50-60 times per game. These guys like
> timmy chang, colt brennan (who i believe would
> have been a beast if gotten a real chance), gram
> harrell... and now it is case keenam who might get
> drafted late cause people are finally starting to
> really look at these guys. I mean damn you have a
> guy that threw 9 TD in one game!!! how do you not
> atleast look at him. And brennan never got a
> chance to start how can you say he is horrible?
> cause if you watched he was destroying it in the
> preseason.

In the end, no matter who or where a QB comes from it's a hit or miss/luck of the draw as to how they turn out.

Yes I saw Brennan play, hell I live in HI where he played in college. Also watched his NFL debut where he threw 3 TD passes. The dude gave John Madden a hard on for Christ's sake. The only bad thing I saw about his NFL play was that he stumbled a few times taking snaps from under center. His footwork from under center was indeed horrible, not saying that it couldn't be fixed though. Aside from that and having an unorthodox throwing motion, he just never got his chance to play in a regular season game. Who knows - he could have turned out to be a baller in this legue.

And yes, you would think that QB scouts would put their trust in a QB that puts it up 50-60 times in a game during college. That's a lot of experience and instinct that's being gained. I would have loved to see him get a real shot at seeing what he could have done in this legue.

Being at the right place at the right time is huge at getting a chance though. Look at Moore. As a UDFA he beat all the odds due to others' injuries. It's a rarity to see a UDFA QB get a chance to play in a game other than preseason, let alone become a starting QB for an NFL team.

there are some qbs who play in systems that always put up huge numbers and are just not pro material. hawaii and houston come to mind. record setting qbs who suck in pros

Exactly, right. I would not draft Case Keenan.


But, Im sure Reppa would.

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Yes, most don't get a chance, and some, even if they are drafted rather highly don't get a chance.

Recent Phins QB's that didn't get a chance regardless of how they were aquired:

Cleo Lemon (13 game, 8 starts)
John Beck (5 games, 4 starts)
AJ Feeley (11 games, 8 starts)
Ray Lucas (17 games, 6 starts)
Damon Huard (18 games, 5 starts)
Sage Rosenfels (13 games, 2 starts)

It's not possible to accurately grade a QB in such a small number of games...especially since it's universally accepted that it takes two to three seasons of starting for the light to come on most of the time.

This also does not include the players we've had that got a chance, or were sucessful, before coming to us...like Brian Griese (5 gameswith us) or Joey Harrington (11 games with us) Chad Pennington, Trent Green, Dante Culpepper, or Gus Frerotte.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> there are some qbs who play in systems that always
> put up huge numbers and are just not pro
> material. hawaii and houston come to mind. record
> setting qbs who suck in pros


yeah maybe but they typically dont get a real shot to play. I Think that the reason the qb position is such a crap shoot is because first and second round qb are typically from the BSC "top" teams in the nation. Ofcourse they will look good cause 7 out of 11 games are against inferior opponents. They always throw from a clean pocket so they look better than they are. They also typically have top running attacks and stellar defenses.

And A&O i dont know if I would draft kennum, to be honest they dont really show houston games so i have not had a chance to really watch him play so i am not like you who dont watch a guy play and just say oh he is from houston so he sucks...

you must be insane. you are complaining that walking turds like beck, feeley, and lucas didn't get enough of a chance here? what would you have wanted to see?

Im not sure who the RG3 supporters are around here, but he is just the second coming of Pat White.
Who in the hell would want to throw another high pick away on him?!
We just cant make that same mistake twice! Some people never learn.

That is a ridiculous statement.

RG3 is 6'3 225.

White is 6' 185.

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socalphin Wrote:
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> Im not sure who the RG3 supporters are around
> here, but he is just the second coming of Pat
> White.
> Who in the hell would want to throw another high
> pick away on him?!
> We just cant make that same mistake twice! Some
> people never learn.


you sound like A&O, he also compared RG3 to pat white. It was clear to me he was just hating on the guy even though he never watched him play. I am assuming that you never watched him either or you would never make that comparison... white was primarily a runner in college, although RG3 can run he is also top three in every passing stat, i dont understand why when a guy has athletism he is sterotyped into not being able to pass.

The day of the strictly pocket passer is over man i wish people would get used to that... there is a strong move towards the dual threat qb and they are finally not being forced to be a WR. just embrase the evolultion...

That is bigger than I thought he was.

Miami Reppa Wrote:
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> socalphin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Im not sure who the RG3 supporters are around
> > here, but he is just the second coming of Pat
> > White.
> > Who in the hell would want to throw another
> high
> > pick away on him?!
> > We just cant make that same mistake twice! Some
> > people never learn.
>
>
> you sound like A&O, he also compared RG3 to pat
> white. It was clear to me he was just hating on
> the guy even though he never watched him play. I
> am assuming that you never watched him either or
> you would never make that comparison... white was
> primarily a runner in college, although RG3 can
> run he is also top three in every passing stat, i
> dont understand why when a guy has athletism he is
> sterotyped into not being able to pass.
>
> The day of the strictly pocket passer is over man
> i wish people would get used to that... there is a
> strong move towards the dual threat qb and they
> are finally not being forced to be a WR. just
> embrase the evolultion...


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Keep my name out of your filthy whoreish mouth, you scum.

I never compared RG3 to White. I have been RG3 biggest supporter. You are a retard.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"