Making this thread as a possible deturrent for anyone that's got the idea in their head that Vince Young will bring anything to this franchise, short of headaches.

Chad Henne Stats:

32 games
61.1 completion percentage
6,246 yards passing
6.6 yard average per attempt
27 TD's
33 INT's
Rushing stats=none worth noting

Vince Young Stats:

54 games
57.9 completion percentage
8098 yards passing
6.8 yard average per attempt
42 TD's
42 INT's
264 rushing attempts
1380 yards rushing
12 rushing TD's

Looking at this from face value, the only thing Young brings that Henne doesn't is a fair ability to scramble. That's it. Passing numbers are comparable, but why would you want to bring in someone "comparable" to what you have if what you have is horrible? Move along people, Vince Young is nothing to look at.

Vince's rookie year he showed flashes of that leadership quality that got UT the national championship. USC was a stronger team, but UT played better.

Unfortunately, Vince has hit a wall. He's no longer the best player on the field by far, and it's hurt his ego. Michael Vick was a piss-poor passer when he first came into the league. I could see Vince improving if he finally decided to apply himself rather than whine about not playing. I think this coming year is going to be critical to VY to see if he goes the route of Michael Vick or Jeff George.

razorghost Wrote:
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> If we had to bring in someone like this it should
> be Kyle Orton.

I'm still not sold on Orton, and he'd be expensive. I'd rather pick up a vet free agent like Volek and use our draft picks to get a young QB.

Volek is too old, and he hasn't started a game since 2005.

Young is like a box of chocolates.

Northeast Fin Fan Wrote:
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> Volek is too old, and he hasn't started a game
> since 2005.
Unless Pennington comes back and can play (which I seriously doubt), I'll take Volek as a #2 or #3 veteran rather than giving away draft picks for Kolb or Orton. I think Thigpen will walk, so we may be left with Henne and a rookie. Are you comfortable with that?

>
> Young is like a box of chocolates.
Yes. Yes he is.

montequi Wrote:
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> Northeast Fin Fan Wrote:
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> > Volek is too old, and he hasn't started a game
> > since 2005.
> Unless Pennington comes back and can play (which I
> seriously doubt), I'll take Volek as a #2 or #3
> veteran rather than giving away draft picks for
> Kolb or Orton. I think Thigpen will walk, so we
> may be left with Henne and a rookie. Are you
> comfortable with that?

I used to think that Volek could be a player in this league, but it's been too long since he has done anything meaningful. Investing even a bit of time in him is taking time away from investing in guys that will actually help us in the future. It's a band-aid fix. A used band-aid.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/18/2011 05:06AM by Northeast Fin Fan.

Northeast Fin Fan Wrote:
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> montequi Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Northeast Fin Fan Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Volek is too old, and he hasn't started a
> game
> > > since 2005.
> > Unless Pennington comes back and can play (which
> I
> > seriously doubt), I'll take Volek as a #2 or #3
> > veteran rather than giving away draft picks for
> > Kolb or Orton. I think Thigpen will walk, so
> we
> > may be left with Henne and a rookie. Are you
> > comfortable with that?
>
> I used to think that Volek could be a player in
> this league, but it's been too long since he has
> done anything meaningful. Investing even a bit of
> time in him is taking time away from investing in
> guys that will actually help us in the future.
> It's a band-aid fix. A used band-aid.

So, if Pennington is done and Thigpen is gone, what QB would YOU pick up? Even if we draft someone, we're going to need a 3rd QB to push Henne and the rookie. I'd rather it be a veteran. What about you?

Pennington wants to play again. I would keep him as the 2 or 3 guy over Volek. I would keep Thigpen over Volek.

The list of FA QBs that will actually be available this year is not very pretty.

I can't help but have some curiosity about Leinart. I would be tempted to bring him in for a look-see; but be prepared to make a quick evaluation so that we don't keep him around long if he is just going to occupy space.

Brandstater. Cough cough... He can't be worse than Henne!!!

Actually, he is worse.

But thats neither here nor there.The fact of the matter is that Young and Henne are both backup QB's on this level.


End of discussion.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Actually, he is worse.
>
> But thats neither here nor there.The fact of the
> matter is that Young and Henne are both backup
> QB's on this level.
>
>
> End of discussion.


No no... I agree Young, and Henne are scrubs as of late.

However to just say Brandstater sucks, without watching him play is very stupid.

I bet everyone NE fan said that Cassel sucked, and was not happy when he started.

He could be worse, but I dought it, and I want to give the man a fair shot, he is already on our team, is signed, and let the man do what he does.

I want Luck in next year's draft so lets not screw the pooch this year, with some project WB in the first or a washed up vet.

Northeast Fin Fan Wrote:
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> Pennington wants to play again. I would keep him
> as the 2 or 3 guy over Volek. I would keep
> Thigpen over Volek.

Well, we actually played 3 QBs this season, so I'd rather have someone more durable than Penny.

Phinsfan2 Wrote:
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> Mia1 Wrote:
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> > Brandstater. Cough cough... He can't be worse
> than
> > Henne!!!
>
>
> Yeah, you can be worse.
>
> Just for your future reference:
>
> Players (including QB's) that are signed to
> "future's contracts" in the off-season are
> TRAINING CAMP FODDER.
>
> Expecting them (ESPECIALLY QB's) to come in and
> push for playing time is DELUSIONAL and
> unrealistic to the point of being FANTASY.


I bet that attitude has worked well for this team in the past decade huh!! Yep god has rained down upon us! Wait no thats not RAIN!!!!

I still want to see Henne with a real OC, QB coach and deep threat; and I still think that he will be our QB in 2011 and beyond.

Northeast Fin Fan Wrote:
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> I still want to see Henne with a real OC, QB coach
> and deep threat; and I still think that he will be
> our QB in 2011 and beyond.


When Henne has all day in the pocket he isnt that bad, but when there is pressure, he freaks out and either takes a sack, throws a pick, or throw's it to a defensive lineman.

Sorry but good luck with your personal feelings about Henne being the man. lol..

Didn't say he was the man; but I would like to see him in a better situation before we boot him out the door. There aren't too many (any) QBs who would succeed with no running game, poor pass protection, little/no speed at WR and ultra conservative play calling. Bringing in a new QB and putting him in the same situation makes far less sense than improving the situation and bringing back the same QB.

NEFF, you get your wish....he has a young, innovative OC, who Chad Pennington called a QB genius.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Lol yeah. without the sex appeal!