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My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: TheFutt ()
Date: December 28, 2010 08:13AM

Since everybody is calling for us to hire Cowher or Gruden...

Name me one coach who won a Superbowl with one team, then moved on to another and won the SuperBowl again.

I'll wait...

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Re: My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: December 28, 2010 08:16AM

Well,

Shula, Parcells, Vermeil, Reeves, and Holmgren led two different teams to Superbowels but did not win with both.

So, none.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

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Re: My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: TheFutt ()
Date: December 28, 2010 08:17AM

None is the correct answer.

Given that past success is no indication of future success, why are we even talking about these SuperBowl winning coaches, other than the fact we're looking for a change and they're big names?

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Re: My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: December 28, 2010 08:19AM

I would love Sparano if he would show the balls to ax Henning and make serious changes.

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Re: My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: Leon In Denver ()
Date: December 28, 2010 08:20AM

My issue with Cowher is I see him burning out after a couple of years.

My issue is Gruden is that he really hasn't proven anything. That might not be much because he is young and would want to stick long term. That part I do like.

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Re: My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: Hooligan2 ()
Date: December 28, 2010 08:22AM

I would be happy to just GO to a superbowl. Hell, I would be happy to just make the play-offs again.

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Re: My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: Leon In Denver ()
Date: December 28, 2010 08:30AM

TheFutt Wrote:
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> None is the correct answer.
>
> Given that past success is no indication of future
> success, why are we even talking about these
> SuperBowl winning coaches, other than the fact
> we're looking for a change and they're big names?

It's no indication of future failure either. This type of past stat doesn't indicate one single thing.

How many coaches have failed at one job and succeeded at another? A good man learns from his mistakes. Another might take his success and think it will work in another place.

Look, the best coaches are the ones that can mold their system around the personel they have and succeed with them. That is the guy we need.

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Re: My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: DeLandDolPhan ()
Date: December 28, 2010 08:32AM

I heard Mr. Ross was going to hire Carlos Santana to coach and do half time shows....but I don't always get the best intel.

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Re: My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: December 28, 2010 08:34AM

I think Cowher, given our current personnel, gives us the quickest chance due to his phylosophical similarities.

Gruden, Dungy, Childress, all prefer different systems.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

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Re: My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: December 28, 2010 08:36AM

Quote:

"I heard Mr. Ross was going to hire Carlos Santana to coach and do half time shows....but I don't always get the best intel."


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Re: My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: Leon In Denver ()
Date: December 28, 2010 08:44AM

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> I think Cowher, given our current personnel, gives
> us the quickest chance due to his phylosophical
> similarities.
>
> Gruden, Dungy, Childress, all prefer different
> systems.

Exactly what I'm talking about. Can these guys look at our personell and adjust the system around them? If not then what's the point. I think with a QB and OL upgrade then adjust the system to the players.

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Re: My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: KB ()
Date: December 28, 2010 08:47AM

Leon In Denver Wrote:
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> Look, the best coaches are the ones that can mold
> their system around the personel they have and
> succeed with them. That is the guy we need.

Hell to the YES! Look for coaches that have been successful with more than one 'kind' of team. The 72-74 Dolphins were VERY different from the 83-85 Dolphins but both were successful.

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Re: My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: dolfan-matt ()
Date: December 28, 2010 12:29PM

the futt don't make me laugh, why don't you tell us who you would like
as the head coach?

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Re: My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: dolfan-matt ()
Date: December 28, 2010 12:37PM

I bet your one of those fans that misses wanny

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Re: My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: Mia1 ()
Date: December 28, 2010 01:19PM

New guy busting on the Futt, hmmm who are you Matt?

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Re: My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: colonel ()
Date: December 28, 2010 02:56PM

Mike Singletary is the first near end of season firing. I wonder how many other teams are going to cut their current HC between now and the SB?

Place your bets!

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Re: My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: TheFutt ()
Date: December 29, 2010 07:31AM


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Re: My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: December 29, 2010 08:15AM

I agree Futt.

I do think he needs to take responsibily for the down slide of our team though, but, he can make a stand by firing Dan Henning and then saying we need a new QB.

If he does that, I think he has a right to stay. He has built a really strong foundation of a defense. The offense is weak and shallow (in depth) and needs to seriously be addressed through the next 2 drafts.

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Re: My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: BigNastyFish ()
Date: December 29, 2010 08:49AM

I can see where you can make a case for Sparano staying, and I’m not implying that perspective doesn’t have merit. But I really feel we’ve seen enough of his act to know what he’s all about. He’s in the old-school mold, and a Parcells “formula” coach IMO.

Let’s not forget project BIG has been implemented by him and Ireland with Parcells tutelage. And now with Y3 complete, what you see is what you get. Not much imagination and virtually no creativity when it comes to personnel, game-planning, strategy and tactics.

I just don’t see where Sparano brings anything “special” on either side of the ball. I assume he’s a decent motivator, but the flops at home this year – to a number of crap teams, is inexcusable. And at this point I have NO CLUE what his solution is. Just more of the same, and do it better (BIGGER)?

There whole deal was “change the culture” and get BIG DUDES who love football (team captains whenever possible). That type of formulaic thinking can only take you so far – like to 500 or slightly better. And that’s what Sparano is basically about.

Now if the dude needs a genius DC and OC to be successful, what kind of a COACH is he on his own? I’m sorry but he’s a position coach in this league and not much more IMO. He’s simply in way over his head as a HC.

Everyone agrees his game management is shabby at best. And how often do you see Sparano actively involved in making adjustments on the fly? I honestly can’t recall one example where Sparano obviously made a game adjustment that won the game. The truth is his “style” is based on having a physically superior team – and that’s pretty much it.

Is that a realistic formula in today’s NFL? I personally don’t think so.

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Re: My Issue with a Big Name Coach
Posted by: Odenn ()
Date: December 29, 2010 05:33PM

Is that a realistic formula in today’s NFL? I personally don’t think so.

Sparano is a great coach to bring in to rebuild the foundation of a disheveled franchise. He's done that brilliantly. This place was a wreck and an embarrassment. Is he a coach that can build a team that can compete with the utmost elite in the NFL? I think watching his game management skills the last 2 years tells me probably not. He's not cerebral enough.

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