Both drafted in the 2nd round.
Beck played a few games as a rookie with a horrible team and then was shown the door when the experts showed up.

Henne sat behind Pennington a whole season, you think he would've learned something. Henne started all of last year with a much better team than Beck had, atleast Henne had a left tackle, Beck was running for his life. Now Henne is given another year, Brandon Marshall and much more talent than Beck ever had as a rookie.

Can anybody think of anything else we can give Henne to succeed?
I've called for Henning's head, I know our OC belongs in Jurassic Park, but the throws, decisions, and the attitude that this guy shows on the field is just pathetic.

I know that Parcells and Co. didn't draft Beck, but the reality is that this guy was drafted in the same round only 1 year before Henne and he never got a shot not even in pre-season. Henne has been in their system 3 years and getting worse and he's the man, he's untouchable! Why?? If someone can please point out what's so great about Henne over Beck please comment. I'm not saying Beck would've been our answer so please let's stop right there, I'm just comparing two straight 2nd round QB's.

One that never got a shot and the other that has been given just about everything to succeed.

They are carbon clones.

Dear John Sr.,

With all due respect, your boy John Beck sucks.

Regards,

Wrong. He will wind up in Utah, he is a mormom.

But, I am not so sure he believes in polygamy. But nevertheless, he sucked.

But I dont think he had bad teeth, though.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

How about Jeff George? Rocket arm, no touch or consistency

There's nothing ridiculous about the post Mr. Goodell

It's a fair question for two QB's drafted in the same round a year apart.

What exactly makes Henne so much better than Beck? If you didn't like Beck that's a different story, none of them have Bradys hair so I understand the looks are not there for either of them but as far as QB talent what makes Henne better?

The play against buffalo, oh yes great memories. What makes you think Henne would've performed much better in that situation. Horrible weather combined with a High School JV offensive line, a bit of a tough situation don't you think.

Didn't Henne just totally screw up a snap in the JETS game, you would think he would have that downed packed since he's obviously had much more opportunities than Beck did.

Seriously. Does it really matter who sucks the most?

It's like the battle of the black holes...

The QB is still not solved. We've had a series of failures at the most critical position in the NFL. We're a team hovering around 500.

No legit QB = No legit team.

We need a PLAN to find a solution and stick with it.

Exactly, you're absolutely right. But for some reason, people here still think Henne is the answer and that he hasn't been given enough time to develop.

He's had more chances than any other QB since Fiedler, now move on because he's done nothing to prove that he is the answer at QB. I mean get real, how much longer are you going to keep this good young, talented team on hold because of the QB play.

Miami hasn't grown enough nutts throughout the years to go draft a QB in the 1st round and here is the result, still spinning the wheels. Just look at the turnaround the Rams have made since drafting Bradford. This is a QB driven league, and we don't have one.

So what's your plan?

One thing for sure, the solution is not on this board.

Some think Vince Young. Some say Carson Palmer. I think multiple draft picks and a consistent year-in-and-year-out draft a QB until you solve the problem.

If we have been doing THAT over the past 3 years chances are we'd be in much better shape.

Oh well...

we've tried every approach but a first rounder---trades (Culp, Feely), lower round picks (Henne, Beck), verterans from other teams (Frerotte, Feidler).

Time to bite the bullet and draft one in the first round.

BigNF, I don't like the multiple lower round pick idea at all---those types are long shots and will take longer to develop, and won't bring us any closer to winning with our young defense for the next few years. The multiple lower round pick idea only works with teams that already have an establish QB who isn't going anywhere for years---see GB, Philly. You can afford to roll the dice every year and develop the diamond in the rough you hit on. That is not where this team is at. You will end up wasting at least one of those picks (2 rookie QBs are NOT making the roster) on a team that has more than 1 hole.

The problem is, no QB will be available in the 1st round when we pick.

Luck, Mallett, Newton, & Locker will all be gone before 15.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

That's not my idea. I want 2 this year - one high and one mid. Then follow that up with mid picks or thereabouts afterwards.

Keep the loading the gun baby!

Again, they will all be gone in the 1st. Our only hope is a late round pick.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> The problem is, no QB will be available in the 1st
> round when we pick.
>
> Luck, Mallett, Newton, & Locker will all be gone
> before 15.

So what's YOUR PLAN?

Be the GM and give us a direction...

I already posted. Our only hope in the later rounds.

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Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Again, they will all be gone in the 1st. Our only
> hope is a late round pick.

Serious? What priority do you place on solving the QB?

You propose we go bottom feeding???

The top QB's will be gone!!! READ MY POST!

I guess if we are lucky and one falls then take him. But we have won our way out of the top QB sweepstakes.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Call me whatever, but you are the one on this board who is widely recognized as the moron.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

I know Orangutan. You're an army of one.

The difference between me and you Orangutan is that
I'm not here trying to collect a bunch of bananas.

In this case, “bananas” are a metaphor and not a real food.

Seriously. Your amazing QB solution idea is very chimp like.

You live in a fantasy world or something.

Reality is, we are going to pick around 20 and the chances are that those top-tier QB's will be gone.

So, answer me the freakin riddle, Einstein.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

if we are picking in the 18-20 range, it is not impossible to trade up to the 5-15 range and get one of the top QBs (not Luck, it will take too much to get him). In fact it happens all of the time.

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> That's not my idea. I want 2 this year - one high
> and one mid. Then follow that up with mid picks or
> thereabouts afterwards.
>
> Keep the loading the gun baby!


you are guaranteed to waste a pick that way. We ain't cutting the high round QB, and we ain't keepin 2 rookie QBs on the roster. If we take one high, we absolutely shouldn't take another unless a high round talent somehow falls to us at 5 or something.

Wanny, I will concede that you have a bit of a point. To answer honestly, I would say that Henne is better in a few respects:


1. Henne has shown that he can throw downfield on the run. I never saw that from Beck. They are both very inconsistent with the placement of their throws from the pocket, but Henne does look good when Henning puts him in those little roll outs. A problem with his footwork, perhaps? Still, advantage: Henne.


2. Henne is putting up around 7 yards per attempt compared to Beck's horrible 5.2. Henne, for all his faults, will keep throwing into double coverage downfield to try to pick up some yardage. Advantage: Henne.


3. Henne looks like he doesn't care that he's bad. That's at least better than John Beck looking as if he was literally going to cry on the sidelines every time he screwed up horribly. Advantage: Henne.


However, I will concede that at least John Beck looked like he was going through his progressions when he dropped back into the pocket. It is very noticeable that Henne simply locks on to his target from the snap.

People say that Henne has "no pocket presence" but I think what they mean is that his footwork sucks. I think that is why you see him throwing McNabb style worm burners and looking very uncomfortable back there, even when he has time to throw.

I don't know if it is a coaching issue, but it's troubling that after two and a half years in the NFL he still says he is uncomfortable running the shotgun and looks lost in the pocket.




Wannyblows34 Wrote:
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> There's nothing ridiculous about the post Mr.
> Goodell
>
> It's a fair question for two QB's drafted in the
> same round a year apart.
>
> What exactly makes Henne so much better than Beck?
> If you didn't like Beck that's a different story,
> none of them have Bradys hair so I understand the
> looks are not there for either of them but as far
> as QB talent what makes Henne better?
>
> The play against buffalo, oh yes great memories.
> What makes you think Henne would've performed much
> better in that situation. Horrible weather
> combined with a High School JV offensive line, a
> bit of a tough situation don't you think.
>
> Didn't Henne just totally screw up a snap in the
> JETS game, you would think he would have that
> downed packed since he's obviously had much more
> opportunities than Beck did.

I believe Henne is playing for his job in these last three games.

I said this in another thread, but I think the best QB prospect available in the off-season is Carson Palmer. He is struggling a bit right now, but I can't really see any other option. We already have 8 wins, there is no way we are getting an elite QB prospect.

Phinsfan isn't Cleveland pretty happy with McCoy? I thought I read that somewhere.