I wonder what the Eagles would want for Kevin Kolb?

Rick

STOP IT! he's totally overrated and if we give up anything for this guy I'm done with this team. Can you say AJ Feely? Any team that trades for this guy is getting a bill of goods.

enough trading for other teams' backups (especially the eagles). you guys have short memories.

Eagles QB's and gaytriot QB's are in the same boat.



THEY ARE ALL SYTEM QB's.

Think about it for a second, no matter who has played for these teams, they look like stars. That is what seperates Brady from Manning in my mind.

The fact that Matt Cassel and whoever else has gotten any playing time in that offense has looked great makes Tom Brady not as great, in my mind.


The same goes for any QB in the Eagles sytem.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

What makes Brady great is his accuracy and the time he has to throw.

Agreed, but it's not JUST the offensive line. It's the whole Belicheck system. Hate to pay the aloof, smug, slobby SOB the compliment but in terms of methods and results he has a lot in common with Shula. He is able to adjust his system to focus on the players he has and their abilities and minimize the impact of any weaknesses. His teams are ALWAYS competitive. I remember when the Dolphins were like that.

KB Wrote:
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> Agreed, but it's not JUST the offensive line.
> It's the whole Belicheck system. Hate to pay the
> aloof, smug, slobby SOB the compliment but in
> terms of methods and results he has a lot in
> common with Shula. He is able to adjust his
> system to focus on the players he has and their
> abilities and minimize the impact of any
> weaknesses. His teams are ALWAYS competitive. I
> remember when the Dolphins were like that.

Oh, Yes!! I agree completely!! I have no qualms admitting Belichick is a genius coach. He has a great system, but he's also got the flexibility that Shula had to play to his strengths.

montequi Wrote:
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> Leon In Denver Wrote:
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> > What makes Brady great is his accuracy and the
> > time he has to throw.
>
> That's the key. A good O-Line makes ALL the
> difference. It's the same reason that Big Ben had
> such a good showing his rookie year.

I've been saying for years on this board that the OL is the key to ANY offense. The biggest disapointment of the year is that we had a decent OL (not great) last year and instead of improving they have fallen on their face.
With a GREAT OL the QB position usually will take care of itself. Now that doesn't mean any QB will do. But a good QB can run a team that gives protection and can run the ball, especially in the red zone.

Not rocket science, just fact.

It could be rocket science. If Great OL = Good QB then Great QB = Good OL.

Seriously, A QB that can read defenses, see the field and get the ball out quick can make a Avg. Line look good.

The 'QB position taking care of it's self' philosophy has been held by every regime since Wanny and has gotten us no where.

Who thought well of the Phins offensive line in 1984 till a guy named Marino showed up? The QB before him was knocked out by concussion If I remember correctly.

KB Wrote:
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> Who thought well of the Phins offensive line in
> 1984 till a guy named Marino showed up? The QB
> before him was knocked out by concussion If I
> remember correctly.

Well, a guy named Stephensen had a lot to do with that. You MUST have a good Center in front of the QB.

Yea, but Stephenson had been there since '81. Just saying all the parts have to be there, nothing is gonna 'Take care of itself'.

Ever think what may have been if that dirty Klecko hadn't chopped Stephenson?



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 11/22/2010 10:57AM by KB.

You don't remember correctly. Marino just took his job. As Shula said, Woodley was a great athlete playing QB, but Marino was a great QB playing QB.

Rick

Your right, Woodley sustained the concussion the next year playing for Pittsburg.

Despite my poor memory, the point is Woodley, even with his athleticism and scrambling ability, was sacked nearly twice as much as Marino playing behind basically the same line.

Dislike of Henne is no more irrational than the inexplicable 'thrill running up the leg' some seem to get talking about this guy who has led us...well...nowhere.

I agree with all of you

Kolb is HORRIBLE

KB Wrote:
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> It could be rocket science. If Great OL = Good QB
> then Great QB = Good OL.
>
> Seriously, A QB that can read defenses, see the
> field and get the ball out quick can make a Avg.
> Line look good.
>
> The 'QB position taking care of it's self'
> philosophy has been held by every regime since
> Wanny and has gotten us no where.
>
> Who thought well of the Phins offensive line in
> 1984 till a guy named Marino showed up? The QB
> before him was knocked out by concussion If I
> remember correctly.

You don't remember correctly. Do you remember WoodStrock? Phins had a very good OL at that time. They went to the Super Bowl with that combination. Marino came along the following year. Woodley got a concusion playing in Pittsburgh.
Phins under Shula always had a dam good OL.

I don't give a dam who your QB is, without a good OL the QB will look avarage at best.
I'd love to transplant Brady behind our line today. Maybe then you would understand. I have seen Brady look average or below when pressure is put on him. Thing is, NE has a great OL. He had all day against the Colts last week and Manning was pressured. 3 ints for the Colts was the result.

Leon In Denver Wrote:
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> KB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It could be rocket science. If Great OL = Good
> QB
> > then Great QB = Good OL.
> >
> > Seriously, A QB that can read defenses, see the
> > field and get the ball out quick can make a
> Avg.
> > Line look good.
> >
> > The 'QB position taking care of it's self'
> > philosophy has been held by every regime since
> > Wanny and has gotten us no where.
> >
> > Who thought well of the Phins offensive line in
> > 1984 till a guy named Marino showed up? The QB
> > before him was knocked out by concussion If I
> > remember correctly.
>
> You don't remember correctly. Do you remember
> WoodStrock? Phins had a very good OL at that time.
> They went to the Super Bowl with that combination.
> Marino came along the following year. Woodley got
> a concusion playing in Pittsburgh.
> Phins under Shula always had a dam good OL.
>

Shula always believed in a strong offensive line and surrounding his QB with lots of weapons. Those early 80's teams, pre Marino, had HOF Dwight Stephenson, deserving HOF Bob Kuechenberg, perennial Pro Bowl G Ed Newman, and two solid tackles in Jon Giesler and Eric Laakso. In the days of the big time running game, the weapons were a great stable of backs with Csonka, Morris, and Kiick. Plus 2 TE who combined to win 8 Super Bowl rings in Mandich and Fleming. Plus one of the greatest deep threats of all time in Paul Warfield, and the very solid hands of Howard Twilley, who held numerous NCAA receiving records at the time. It progressed to Nat Moore, Freddie Solomon, Duriel Harris, Delvin Williams, Gary Davis, Norm Bulaich, and Leroy Harris. And then on to Tony Nathan, Andra Franklin, Woody Bennett, Bruce Hardy, Joe Rose, and Jimmy Cefalo, added to Moore and Harris. And even in later days, when we had OJ McDuffie and Irving Fryar, we still went after guys like Mark Ingram, Keith Jackson, and Gary Clark. With Shula, you could never give your QB too many weapons. I would love to see that philosophy now.

Kolb is a very poor quality QB, look elsewhere.

Dolphanmark, agree 100%. Those were the days.

Not trying to knit pick but I think Fleming had two rings from Green Bay and 2 from the Phins. Mandich of coarse had 2.

Leon In Denver Wrote:
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> Dolphanmark, agree 100%. Those were the days.
>
> Not trying to knit pick but I think Fleming had
> two rings from Green Bay and 2 from the Phins.
> Mandich of coarse had 2.


My bad, it was just 7 total. Mandich got a 3rd ring with the Steelers in 1978. I thought he got two with them, but it was just the one.

Of coarse.

Rick

His numbers don't say that.

Rick