Our receivers have been exposed. In other words we have no receivers.


Now we have a qb with a cannon for an arm and nobody can hold on to the ball. Our receivers have been exposed. A great reciver catches everything in sight.


Henne is going to be great for this team. Once he gets some talent around him.

All we have playing for this team is 3rd string and 4rth string receivers.

We need to concentrate on upgrading the WR position next year. That should be our main goal. This is what is holding us back this year.

Agreed, but our defense needs to improve. Our pass rush is inconsistent, and our linebackers can't stop the run or cover short passes.

I agree. Henne's play has actually not surprised me. You don't play for Michigan against Ohio State, Penn State, etc and not be comfortable in pressure games.

Henne looks good.

Our WR's need to stop dropping everything that is thrown at them.

I think next year we will draft 3 receivers high. And maybe get somebody in free agency. We need to bring in at least 4 new faces to the receiver position.

I repeat this should be the main concern in the offseason.

Defensively we need to add a couple of LBs that can rush the passer. Because it looks like JT and Porter are at the very end of their careers.

Receiver should be main concern then LB and DT.


1. We are set at the QB position
2. Ronnie is still young
3. The Oline is set
4. We can live with fasano and haynos.....Still need another body
5. Polite is better than good at the FB position
6. ((((( We have no receivers and this is killing this team ))))F----



Defensively

1. We are set for the next 10 years at the cornerback position
2. Bell is above average.....It looks like clemons will work out.
3. Merlins and Lankford will have another year under their belts.
Randy starks has been doing a good job rushing the passer.
4. Soliai has been doing a decent job. Has been dominating at times,
but we need another DT that can dominate as well. Ferguson is
still a force but is getting there in age.
5. The LB position is a mess. We have to find both in free agency
some LBs that can dominate. JT and Porter are done as much as
i hate to admit it. We are weak at the ILB position.


2010 NFL Draft.

1.The Best receiver money can Buy
2.LB
3.DT
4.Receiver
5.Receiver
6.LB
7.LB

As you can see IMO we have concentrated on 2 positions every year in the draft since parcells arrived in town...

Year 1.......OL and DE
Year 2.......Corner which worked out and receiver which didnt

2010 Next year should be....
Year 3.......Receiver and LB and add a DT high in the 3rd round.


Add 2 or 3 free agents for the depth and we get to the next level.

At the next level we should win the games that we didnt this year...

Like..................

1.The indi game
2.The saints game
3.and even yesterdays pats game

Phinfan2 i consider from a 1st to a 5th rounder a high pick. Yes.

Phinsfan2 Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think next year we will draft 3 receivers
> high.
> > And maybe get somebody in free agency. We need
> to
> > bring in at least 4 new faces to the receiver
> > position.
> >
>

We'd be waving
> bye-bye to Ginn (oK), Bess, and camarillio (ok)
> and running out a Wr corps with 3 first year
> players and 2 second year players. Considering
> the fact that most WR's don't mature until their
> 3rd season, we run a high risk of basically
> flushing next year from a WR standpoint.


The odds are that you draft 3 receivers and one maybe two will make the team.........The more you draft the better chances are for one or two to stick.

Thats why i said we need to bring in at least 4 and hope for one or two of them to become great.

I'd be shocked if Parcells puts so much emphasis on WR over glaring needs at LB and FS. I'm not convinced that Clemons is our future at FS. He's only started 2 games so far, and our pass defense in each has been poor. We're in worse shape at ILB than OLB. Even without Porter and JT, we still have Roth, Wake, Anderson, and Moses. Inside we have the oft-injured Crowder, Ayodele, Torbor, and.....???? What would we have done yesterday if Torbor or Ayodele went down with an injury??!! ILB MUST be our #1 focus in the draft! We can pick up a #1 WR in free agency or in a trade. That's how NE, NYJ, and Buffalo got their #1 WRs anyway.

I think we HAVE to look at FA AND draft to help our WR corps. It's widely accepted that it takes 2+ years for a top WR to blossom. I may be rushing things per the Trifecta's timetable, but, to my relatively untrained eye, 2010-2013 are looking like prime opportunity years for our team.

Agreed.

Each year we have made 1 or 2 FA signings that were intended to sign a starter. Wilford was a miss, as has been Gibril Wilson; however, the Grove siging worked out, and the trade for Ferguson, Starks, and Fasano worked well too.


They found a keeper in Hartline. I think Turner will eventually find the field and contribute as Wilford was intended to. I can see them acqiring a WR that is ready to go as opposed to drafting a young kid in the first round.


I can see them addressing LB or FS in round 1 and 3-4, and trying WR in the 2nd -3rd.

phinfans2 drafting 3 receivers isn't throwing away picks. Isn't that what we've been doing since parcells arrived here.


We drafted 2 OL the first year....Two Defensive Ends

we drafted 3 DBs last year...All made the team

I have seen a trend in the way parcells drafts. And it wouldnt surprise me if he drafted 2 0r 3 receivers in next years draft. Since this position IMO is the weakes position on this team.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> phinfans2 drafting 3 receivers isn't throwing away
> picks. Isn't that what we've been doing since
> parcells arrived here.
>
>
> We drafted 2 OL the first year....Two Defensive
> Ends
>
> we drafted 3 DBs last year...All made the team
>
> I have seen a trend in the way parcells drafts.
> And it wouldnt surprise me if he drafted 2 0r 3
> receivers in next years draft. Since this position
> IMO is the weakes position on this team.


And we drafted Turner and Hartline in '09. I see us drafting 2 ILBs and possibly 2 Safeties in the next draft. Our weakest position is ILB, not WR. We have no depth at all at ILB, and the guys we have are average at best.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/09/2009 09:23AM by montequi.

Oh and about Patrick Turner........................I wonder why he hasn't even gotten to the field of play yet seen how weak we are at the receiver position.

They say he is catching everything in practice. Makes me wonder about patrick turner.

The receivers that we have cannot hold on to the ball. Now they have a flame thrower for a Qb. Its time the hold on to the ball or we need some changes at the WR position.

Montequi i see both the WR position and ILB as the weakest positions on our team equally.

We have no LBs that scare anybody and the same goes for the WR position.

I guess im just sick of drop after drop in every game. We have nobody that can go deep. And the only one that can, is afraid of getting hit.

We need a change next year.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Oh and about Patrick
> Turner........................I wonder why he
> hasn't even gotten to the field of play yet seen
> how weak we are at the receiver position.
>

WR's need to do multiple things:

1. Run their routes in-sync with what the QB is expecting
2. Get open
3. Catch the ball (duh!)
4. Do something after the catch if possible.

Turner may be able to catch, but he may not have the rest.

Yes, we need a change at WR. I think we'll see a big improvement in our entire WR corp if we just got one legit #1 WR. Along with giving Henne a reliable target, a legit #1 would both pull coverage, allowing other guys to get open, and push the other WRs to play better.

What we don't need is to gamble and, possibly, sell out the team for a WR. Unfortunately, we didn't jump when we had a chance to get Braylon Edwards. The 3 other teams in the AFC East acquired their #1 WRs via trades, NOT the draft.

It's probably time to start talking about Boldin or Ocho-Cinco again.

montequi Wrote:
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> It's probably time to start talking about Boldin
> or Ocho-Cinco again.

Anything that makes this team better. Definite upgrades.

I don't know; weren't these the same guys catching the ball last year when we were the Cinderella of the NFL? Henne is not Pennington. He throws a lazer, but Penninton throws a more "catchable" ball, with pinpoint accuracy. I know several have been where guys are looking up too early and such, but then again, I've seen many a completion where our guys are stretched out high, or scooping off the mat. Just sayin', it ain't all the receivers fault. Add to that the lack of flow with us runnng the ball even more, and more Wildcat as well. We just don't have the rythym that we had with Pennington.

Well phinfan2 if we keep these same receivers its going to be the same thing all over again next year. Nobody getting open, all the drops etc.

Henne needs some receivers with some talent for a change.

Our passing game was no different under Pennington. Opposing defenses dare us to beat them with the pass downfield, and we can't do it. They did the same thing to us last year. The only difference is that Henne is looking to make more plays downfield, while Pennington knew his arm strength limited him to the dink and dunk passing game underneath.

And it's pretty clear that Ginn has regressed, and lost all his confidence. Without the threat of his speed, it makes the other guys even less of a threat. Ginn is one of the fastest players in the NFL. But, of our other 4 WR, Hartline ran a 4.58 40 at the combine, and he's our second fastest guy. Camarillo is a 4.6 guy. Bess ran a 4.64 at the combine. And Turner ran a 4.63 at his pro day. With that extreme lack of speed, defenders can be really aggressive against them on shorter routes, because they know they are no threat to run by them. And even if they did, the DB knows he can make up the ground. I know the coaching staff loves Camarillo and Bess for how hard they work and for being QB friendly. But, unlike Hartline and Turner, they don't offer size. One of them needs to go, simply because we can't afford to have 4 such slow guys out there.

TX-FIN Wrote:
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>We just don't have the rythym that we had
> with Pennington.

We were 0-3 with Pennington this year. We're 3-2 with Henne. What rhythm are you referring to?

Sam wrote: We need to concentrate on upgrading the WR position next year. That should be our main goal. This is what is holding us back this year.

Should have been addressed this year IMHO.

- I think the staf felt our receivers were going to break out this year.
- With the running game we've had early on ... they should have, but didn't

Phinjim Wrote:
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> Sam wrote: We need to concentrate on upgrading
> the WR position next year. That should be our main
> goal. This is what is holding us back this year.
>
> Should have been addressed this year IMHO.
>



Well i think we did. It just hasnt worked out like they thought it would. We drefted two receivers. And the jury still out on them.

We took care of the CB spot in this years draft so im satisfied with that. IMO we got two studs CBs......Id be happy if they can hit on one position every year.

Hopefully we will hit on the receiver position in 2010.

And BTW................IMO we need to start from scratch as far as the WR position goes.


Guys we have overall and young talented team who will be better next year with a few additions.......

Look at all the talent we have and need to keep this nucleus and build around them.


Offense



1. Henne
2. Brown
3. Long
4. Carey
5. D Thomas
6. Polite
7. Bess



Defense


1. Soliai
2. Merling
3. Lankford
4. Starks
5. Wake
6. V Davis
7. S Smith
8. Roth
9. Clemmons
10.Bell


We have again a relatively young team with a lot of potential for the future.

Keep this nucleous together and built around them.

We have been except atlanta in every game this year and look at the teams we have played. Two of them are undefeated as of now.

We matched up to the pats better than i though.....In New England.....

I think Hartline should be at #7, not Bess. Just my opinion.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

I'm personnally not sold on "we got studs' for our cbs.

Always in the descriptin is - "Good (caveat) for a rookie" vs just good as a player in the NFL.

Our secondary is something like 28th in the league ... don't tell me our cbs or any of the secondary are studs until we break into the top tier.

For me db picks have potential, but the jury is still out.
- Just my opinion