dolphin Wrote:
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> Brady was a journeyman until Bledsoe was hurt.

Tom Brady? The one on the Pats? If so, how is a guy that starts the 3rd game in his 2nd season for the team that drafted him a journeyman QB?

LOL.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

dolphin Wrote:
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>
> Brady was a journeyman until Bledsoe was hurt.


No he wasn't. Brady was a draft pick in his 2nd season when Bledsoe got hurt.

You could correctly describe him as prospect or a late round developmental prospect, but to be a "journey"-man QB you actually have to "journey" from one city/team to another in your career.

No, No, No! A journeyman is the same as a veteran. It has nothing to do with going from team to team. Journeyman is a phrase used in blue collar work.

This is from the Free On-line Dictionary.

jour·ney·man (jûrn-mn)
n.
1. One who has fully served an apprenticeship in a trade or craft and is a qualified worker in another's employ.
2. An experienced and competent but undistinguished worker.

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Now there may be some historical origins from the Middle Ages in Europe of a worker traveling from town-to-town in order to obtain employment but that is hardly relevant to today's NFL.

It's fair to consider Moore a journeyman at this point in his career, but at the same time that does NOT preclude his continued evolution as an NFL QB.

I get the feeling if he works his ass off, and gets the right coaching, he will be a very solid NFL QB. Elite? Probably not. But more than good enough to win a lot of games - with the right cast around him...

But of course I could be entirely wrong. But that's rare. LOL.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> No, No, No! A journeyman is the same as a
> veteran. It has nothing to do with going from
> team to team. Journeyman is a phrase used in blue
> collar work.
>
> This is from the Free On-line Dictionary.
>
> jour·ney·man (jûrn-mn)
> n.
> 1. One who has fully served an apprenticeship in a
> trade or craft and is a qualified worker in
> another's employ.
> 2. An experienced and competent but
> undistinguished worker.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------
>
>
> Now there may be some historical origins from the
> Middle Ages in Europe of a worker traveling from
> town-to-town in order to obtain employment but
> that is hardly relevant to today's NFL.


I stand corrected.

But even under that definition, Brady wasn't a journeyman.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> No, No, No! A journeyman is the same as a
> veteran. It has nothing to do with going from
> team to team. Journeyman is a phrase used in blue
> collar work.
>
> This is from the Free On-line Dictionary.
>
> jour·ney·man (jûrn-mn)
> n.
> 1. One who has fully served an apprenticeship in a
> trade or craft and is a qualified worker in
> another's employ.
> 2. An experienced and competent but
> undistinguished worker.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------
>
>
> Now there may be some historical origins from the
> Middle Ages in Europe of a worker traveling from
> town-to-town in order to obtain employment but
> that is hardly relevant to today's NFL.

Show me a definition where it says "this has nothing to do with 'journey'" and then maybe I'll believe you. Sorry couldn't resist. Now back to ignoring you....

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> No, No, No! A journeyman is the same as a
> veteran. It has nothing to do with going from
> team to team. Journeyman is a phrase used in blue
> collar work.
>
> This is from the Free On-line Dictionary.
>
> jour·ney·man (jûrn-mn)
> n.
> 1. One who has fully served an apprenticeship in a
> trade or craft and is a qualified worker in
> another's employ.
> 2. An experienced and competent but
> undistinguished worker.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------
>
>
> Now there may be some historical origins from the
> Middle Ages in Europe of a worker traveling from
> town-to-town in order to obtain employment but
> that is hardly relevant to today's NFL.

Chyren, for sh.ts and giggles, you ought to show up to court one day in a suit and tie carrying a briefcase, acting like you came out of retirement, just to see the horrified look on the Judges face.

Let it be said that the Lady that impersonates a football player in NE is heretofore not a journeyman and never was. Tho she always liked the concept of a "journey man" if it included a trip to the cosmetologist.

The secret is in the nails.


BNF.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> ChyrenB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No, No, No! A journeyman is the same as a
> > veteran. It has nothing to do with going from
> > team to team. Journeyman is a phrase used in
> blue
> > collar work.
> >
> > This is from the Free On-line Dictionary.
> >
> > jour·ney·man (jûrn-mn)
> > n.
> > 1. One who has fully served an apprenticeship in
> a
> > trade or craft and is a qualified worker in
> > another's employ.
> > 2. An experienced and competent but
> > undistinguished worker.
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Now there may be some historical origins from
> the
> > Middle Ages in Europe of a worker traveling
> from
> > town-to-town in order to obtain employment but
> > that is hardly relevant to today's NFL.
>
> Show me a definition where it says "this has
> nothing to do with 'journey'" and then maybe I'll
> believe you. Sorry couldn't resist. Now back to
> ignoring you....


Show me a definition of apples that says "this has nothing to do with 'locomotives'."

That makes a lot of sense. Why don't you try harder and simply block all posts from me?

Ta ta, I, on the other hand, must leave Alice in Wonderland and return to the chat board.

Ha! Ha! You FOUND IT!!! I thought you had conceded though. LOL!

I would have told you about it but I figured that if you didn't find it, well......

The guy who tried to Wikipedia Brady, PhinJim, tipped you off as to how to search!

or basically gave you the idea to search there.

You're a little slow, The Truth, but you got there eventually.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ChyrenB Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > No, No, No! A journeyman is the same as a
> > > veteran. It has nothing to do with going
> from
> > > team to team. Journeyman is a phrase used in
> > blue
> > > collar work.
> > >
> > > This is from the Free On-line Dictionary.
> > >
> > > jour·ney·man (jûrn-mn)
> > > n.
> > > 1. One who has fully served an apprenticeship
> in
> > a
> > > trade or craft and is a qualified worker in
> > > another's employ.
> > > 2. An experienced and competent but
> > > undistinguished worker.
> > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > Now there may be some historical origins from
> > the
> > > Middle Ages in Europe of a worker traveling
> > from
> > > town-to-town in order to obtain employment
> but
> > > that is hardly relevant to today's NFL.
> >
> > Show me a definition where it says "this has
> > nothing to do with 'journey'" and then maybe
> I'll
> > believe you. Sorry couldn't resist. Now back to
> > ignoring you....
>
>
> Show me a definition of apples that says "this has
> nothing to do with 'locomotives'."
>
> That makes a lot of sense. Why don't you try
> harder and simply block all posts from me?
>
> Ta ta, I, on the other hand, must leave Alice in
> Wonderland and return to the chat board.

Oh, I thought you were smart enough to recognize irony. I guess not. I won't attempt to explain. ta ta

Well it was the "back to ignoring you" that kinda threw me off.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> or basically gave you the idea to search there.
>
> You're a little slow, The Truth, but you got there
> eventually.


Didn't have the time before.

But interesting that you knew it was out there yet omitted it from your post. I thought DA's were required to share their evidence...all of their evidence.

Tsk, tsk...

You stay classy CB and always remember..THE Truth is out there...

In fact, that was the one I ran across first.....but the other suited my position better.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> In fact, that was the one I ran across
> first.....but the other suited my position better.


That's the difference between you and me...THE Truth has no position...it is what it is...

Well played but I am an advocate.

Words are how people convey ideas. If you don't read them -which you obviously did- how do you participate in a discussion group?

Rick

Couldn't possibly care less about his career so far. "What have you done for me lately?"

Rick

Ok, here is what defines a journeyman in my mind.....


How many NFL teams are willing to build there offense/team around Matt Moore?

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Some other journeymen quarterbacks:

Rich Gannon (4 time pro bowler, NFL MVP)
Jeff Garcia (4 time pro bowler)
Kurt Warner (4 time pro bowler, 2x all pro, 2x MVP)
Earl Morrall (2 time pro bowler, 3 time SB champion, Comeback POY)


Sometimes these "journeymen" QBs just need to be in the right system to succeed.

brady v maryland. isn't that tomorrow's game?

LOL. Maybe.