Crowder52 Wrote:
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> I dont mind Jeff picking players, my problem isnt
> that, it is that he doesnt handle the players
> under contract properly..... He doesnt represent
> our organization well IMO.... Players on the team
> dont trust him. They also dont like how he has
> handled cutting players. First off the Dez Bryant,
> publicity mess. Benn sapp... Will
> Allen....Channing Crowder, who said Ireland cut
> him by text... Dansby and YB both confronted
> Ireland about how he handled it.... THose are our
> vets... They see how guys have been treated then
> didnt deserve to be treated, no matter the action
> of letting them go. Trust me Ireland is a bad
> influence on the team and those influences
> outweigh his ability to pick players IMO...


Who cares what type of relationship the players have with the GM?

He's their BOSS. His sole responsibility is to put a winning product on the field today, tomorrow and in the future...that's it. He's not a guidance counselor. He's not their agent. He's not their to help develop their career path. He's judge jury and executioner on any franchise. He decides if they play here or not.

This is precisely the reason you can't have a GM who works for the HC coach and you CANNOT have one guy do both jobs.

One job requires relationships with your employees.

The other requires tough decisions that not only impact those employees but cannot be affected by personal relationships with them.

I'm not trying to defend Ross or Ireland, but it seems like they've both learned from there mistakes (Ross for sure has), the thing people discount about the Harbaugh pursuit is, his instincts appear to be spot on on thinking he'd make a good coach.

He went about it 100% wrong, but his intentions were right, I suspect the way he pursued Harbaugh is the way large corporations are run at the top, and he saw no problem with testing the waters before dumping Tony, I think he also learned that's not the way it works in an entertainment based buisness, you have 24-7 coverage by ESPN/NFL Network as well as constant Twitter/Facebook updates and speculation as to whats transpiring. He learned his lesson and did the right thing this year by canning Tony before searching for his replacement.

Could you imagine how bad Ross would get skewered if he did what Irsay is doing right now? Cuts one of the most respected GM's in the game and leaves his lame duck coach flopping in the wind while everyone else is filling their vacancys with HC's/asst's. I could see the headlines now if it was Ross; "why did we keep Caldwell for an extra 3 weeks, that cost us a shot at Fisher! This owner is clueless!"

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Who cares what type of relationship the players
> have with the GM?
>
> He's their BOSS. His sole responsibility is to
> put a winning product on the field today, tomorrow
> and in the future...that's it. He's not a
> guidance counselor. He's not their agent. He's
> not their to help develop their career path. He's
> judge jury and executioner on any franchise. He
> decides if they play here or not.
>
> This is precisely the reason you can't have a GM
> who works for the HC coach and you CANNOT have one
> guy do both jobs.
>
> One job requires relationships with your
> employees.
>
> The other requires tough decisions that not only
> impact those employees but cannot be affected by
> personal relationships with them.


Really? Are you sure you dont what to rethink that..... I know you are smarter then that...
First off, a GM's job is basicly analysing talent and building relationships, from coaches, to players, to FA, to collegiant players entering draft...
The GM has to convince FA players to come work for him... He has to hire coaches, and convicne them to come work for him(by the way how did that work out with Harbaugh and Fisher).
The GM has to neogtiate every deal on the team, with all of the personel. Coaches, players,etc...
You have completely lost your mind, if you think that guy can have caustic personality, and that some how helps his organization..
The buck stops at the top, and that is Jeff Ireland for the football operations of the Miami Dolphins...

Secondly guys that can get away with being an egotistical d*ck, are guys that win... Winning seems to allow people to let alot of crap roll of their shoulder... When you lose or dont win, these shortcomings, and leadership issues, are magnified...

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> I'm not trying to defend Ross or Ireland, but it
> seems like they've both learned from there
> mistakes (Ross for sure has), the thing people
> discount about the Harbaugh pursuit is, his
> instincts appear to be spot on on thinking he'd
> make a good coach.
>
Right but we just fell on our face publicly again, with the whole fisher situation... And they are doing damage control, Ireland releases a statement, and all kinds of media wars going on right now, half the guys say Ireland was the issue, the other half seems to be damage control for the organization. It went so far, that Fisher, seems to be doing damage control for us, by making the outlandish statement that he would hire him right now...
You think we can trade Ireland to the Rams, for their second draft pick?.... who wouldnt take that deal....lol

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> He learned his lesson and did the right thing this
> year by canning Tony before searching for his
> replacement.

That is very commendable...

It sure didnt help him land a coach though...lol........

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Who cares what type of relationship the players
> > have with the GM?
> >
> > He's their BOSS. His sole responsibility is
> to
> > put a winning product on the field today,
> tomorrow
> > and in the future...that's it. He's not a
> > guidance counselor. He's not their agent.
> He's
> > not their to help develop their career path.
> He's
> > judge jury and executioner on any franchise.
> He
> > decides if they play here or not.
> >
> > This is precisely the reason you can't have a
> GM
> > who works for the HC coach and you CANNOT have
> one
> > guy do both jobs.
> >
> > One job requires relationships with your
> > employees.
> >
> > The other requires tough decisions that not
> only
> > impact those employees but cannot be affected
> by
> > personal relationships with them.
>
>
> Really? Are you sure you dont what to rethink
> that.....


No...I don't want to rethink it.

A GM's job is to analyze and acquire talent. He doesn't need to be buddy buddy with his players for that to work.

In fact...he's more effective if he isn't.

Sure it helps if he's a nice guy and everyone loves him but that isn't the only way to skin a cat.

I'd much prefer he was professional and had solid PROFESSIONAL relationships with his coaches, his players and their agents.

To suggest that the GM is doing a bad job because players he cut don't like him is absurd. Of course they don't like him or agree with his decision to cut him. The fact that he holds that type of control over their lives is exactly why he should not worry about being friends with them.


Ireland may or may not be a good GM...time will tell. He's certainly stepped in it with the whole Dex Bryant thing. But this isn't about him.

Its about what you want in a GM. And if you want a GM that your players like then you are looking for the wrong type of GM.

Mr. THE Truth,

How's that "winning product" that a GM is supposed to put on a field working out?

Let me ask you something Mr. THE Truth, and be honest with yourself in answering. Did you believe in Cam Cameron? Randy Mueller? John Beck? Bill Parcells? Chad Henne?

I'm willing to guess that the answer is yes to all of the above. And that's ok. Some people lack the ability to think for themselves and just blindly follow every decision an organization makes.

DA TRUUTH Wrote:
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> Mr. THE Truth,
>
> How's that "winning product" that a GM is supposed
> to put on a field working out?
>
> Let me ask you something Mr. THE Truth, and be
> honest with yourself in answering. Did you believe
> in Cam Cameron? Randy Mueller? John Beck? Bill
> Parcells? Chad Henne?
>
> I'm willing to guess that the answer is yes to all
> of the above. And that's ok. Some people lack the
> ability to think for themselves and just blindly
> follow every decision an organization makes.

{yawn}...

C'mon Truth (that's one U not two) wouldn't you rather be miserable and bitch about everything rather then just go with flow?.....I mean this is something as important as your favorite football team ya know!

His sarcasm was lost on you, The Truth. Dolphaholic's that is.

THE Truth Wrote:
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>
> Sure it helps if he's a nice guy and everyone
> loves him but that isn't the only way to skin a
> cat.
>
> I'd much prefer he was professional and had solid
> PROFESSIONAL relationships with his coaches, his
> players and their agents.
>
> To suggest that the GM is doing a bad job because
> players he cut don't like him is absurd.

Sure, please show me where Ireland has shown examples of being a profesional?

When you arent winning it doesnt work when you are d*ck and people dont want to work with you... If he was such a great guy that people wanted to work for he would have landed Harbaugh last year...
Mr Huizenga, was that guy that people wanted to work for, and yes it makes a difference...When he wanted the hottest coach in football, JJ, left superbowls to come and work for the guy. When parcells was retired, he changed his mind to work for MR H, because of the man that he is.... Their is a huge difference, I am sorry you dont see it or accept the difference...
Everyone I work with or works for me, I have a personal relationship with, and those relationships are extremely important to my success... SO that is my opinion...If you dont see it that way, to each his own, like you said there are many ways to skin a cat, as long as you are successfull... Guess what at the GM position we have gotten more bad press and GM created distractions under Ireland then allother GM's combined before him... IMO, it is on management, Ross and Ireland....

Ultimately my fear and going all in at this point for Gruden, is the Miami Dolphins at this point are Jeff Irelands team... That is not a good thing...If we hire a cordinator or a weak powered coach, we are still Jeff Irelands team, and that is still bad IMO.. We need a strong coach with power to make it his team... Not have Ireland hanging over him and the players... We had that unde Parcells, we lost that check on Ireland and his personell when Parcells left. We need a coach that is going to help re-establish that check on Irelands power while still utilizing his talents, but not his apparent weaknesses...

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> To me the question is simple, Would any of you
> guys want to work for Ireland and trust him with
> you and your family's livelihood and that he has
> your back....
>
> My answer is NO way in hell...


Sure, because he's literally a saint compared to half of the people I work with right now as well as those I have worked with for the past 27 years. Over my last three jobs.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> His sarcasm was lost on you, The Truth.
> Dolphaholic's that is.

At least someone gets me Chyren

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> ChyrenB Wrote:
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> > His sarcasm was lost on you, The Truth.
> > Dolphaholic's that is.
>
> At least someone gets me Chyren


The Truth seems to be a little concrete sometimes (no pun intended).

Had his contract extended in the off season...quietly. lol

he is here to stay people.

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