DOLPHINS: Thigpen trade

Michael Fischer thebigfish at smunet.net
Wed Oct 14 21:32:41 GMT 2009 

Danny,
I'm one of Wilson's antagonists. For all of the hoopla about his,  
Manning made the guy
look like a pillar of salt. Add a stupid penalty in, and I'm taking  
the Shula mentality and
looking for the guy to find a new home.

We'll see. Maybe he'll get better with time.

Michael

On Oct 14, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Danny Nelson wrote:

> I watched it a bunch of times this morning, and I've changed my  
> mind.  I think
> that according to the rule, it was appropriate for the call to be  
> made.  The
> receiver was in the air, helmets hit, the league is cracking down  
> on it; it
> all adds up to the call being made.
>
> HOWEVER, I don't think Wilson was necessarily trying to spear or make
> helmet-to-helmet contact.  I counted off one second from the time  
> the ball was
> released until the collision, and the two players were running  
> nearly head on
> by the time contact was made.  A defender has too many factors to  
> consider
> (speed, angles, descent of the receiver, etc) to be able to  
> extrapolate where
> and how contact might be made.  He can't exactly stop time and pull  
> out a
> slide rule to figure it out.  It's more just instinct and courage  
> at that
> point.
>
> So I agree with the call, if not the rule.  And I don't agree with the
> labeling of Wilson as dangerous and/or dumb.  Seems like we've been  
> pining for
> a safety who will hit like that for a while now.
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: Kristoffer Shields <kms223 at hotmail.com>
>
>> Right, but the argument isn't whether they will call it, but  
>> whether they
> should.  Just because the top of the helmet made contact doesn't  
> mean he "led
> with his helmet..."  The question is the position his head was in  
> when he made
> contact.  If he made contact with his face in the receiver's chest,  
> and top of
> the helmet happened to make contact with the receiver's helmet  
> because of the
> angle at which they collided, I say that should not be a penalty--- 
> that's a
> textbook hit.  If he ducked his head so the helmet was horizontal  
> as he came
> in, then that's a spear, and it should be called.  My recollection  
> (the replay
> isn't until tonight) is that Wilson was the prior.... but either  
> way, they'll
> call either one now, and my general point is that they shouldn't  
> call the
> first.  I mean, Cobbs lost this season and possibly his career  
> because he was
> tackled awkwardly last night.  Should that have been a penalty?   
> Sure, the
> defender didn't mean it, but it ended up being an awkward tackle!
>>  .....
>>
>>> From: clark.m.s at gmail.com
>>> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:23:52 -0400
>>> To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
>>> Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Thigpen trade
>>>
>>> You can see on the replay that the TOP of Wilson's helmet made  
>>> direct
>>> contact with the receiver's helmet.
>>> They'll call that every time whether it was intended or not.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:12 AM, jp <spartacusii at kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I guess I must be he odd man out - but I'd like to know just HOW  
>>>> bell
> is
>>>> supposed to know at the point he's making that play that the  
>>>> receiver
> ISN'T
>>>> going to come down with the ball.  To my way of seeing it, it  
>>>> wasn't SO
> far
>>>> over his head that he's going to know it such that he can just  
>>>> give up
> on
>>>> the play.  I think  it was a cheap call.
>>>>
>>>> j
>>>>
>>>> jp
>>>>
>>>> www.jprescottphoto.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: dolphins-disc-bounces at phins.com [mailto:dolphins-disc-
>>>>> bounces at phins.com] On Behalf Of Danny Nelson
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 8:21 PM
>>>>> To: Miami Dolphins Discussion
>>>>> Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Thigpen trade
>>>>>
>>>>> Poor call but Bell had no business making contact there.   
>>>>> That's just
>>>> asking
>>>>> for the call to be made.
>>>>>
>>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>>> From: ldouglas <ldouglas at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> too bad we can't even get the calls in our own home. the PI call
>>>>>> against bell was BS - it was an uncatchable pass. Riveron may  
>>>>>> speak
>>>>>> spanish but his crews have always been uneven IMO
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/12/09, Danny Nelson <cheesefrog at usa.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Something about that guy (Thigpen) that intrigues me.  Even  
>>>>>>> if he
>>>> turns
>>>>> out
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be a career backup a fifth is better than a two for a prospect
> like
>>>>> White.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What an incredible opening drive.  Ran it down their freakin'
>>>> throats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>>>>> From: ldouglas <ldouglas at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if that's true that's awesome. Thigpen is a guy that was on
>>>>>>>> Belichick's radar when he was left unprotected on the Vikings
> roster
>>>>>>>> (remember that flap on the radio station with Childress?) so  
>>>>>>>> for
>>>> Pioli
>>>>>>>> to part with him for as low as a 5th ... wow.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/12/09, Rick <mroz66 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Read on a website that we gave up a 5th round pick for TT.
> That
>>>> means
>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> have our 1st thru 4th, two 6ths (ours and Washington's, JT the
>>>> player
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> keeps on giving) and two 7ths (ours and KC's, we traded one of
> our
>>>>> 7ths
>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>> year to them for theirs this year). We also have a conditional
>>>> pick
>>>>>>> coming
>>>>>>>>> from KC for the two lineman we sent there (I'm thinking it is
>>>> going
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> 6th rounder).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rick
>>>>>>>>>
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