DOLPHINS: Thigpen trade

Danny Nelson cheesefrog at usa.net
Wed Oct 14 20:03:57 GMT 2009 

I watched it a bunch of times this morning, and I've changed my mind.  I think
that according to the rule, it was appropriate for the call to be made.  The
receiver was in the air, helmets hit, the league is cracking down on it; it
all adds up to the call being made.

HOWEVER, I don't think Wilson was necessarily trying to spear or make
helmet-to-helmet contact.  I counted off one second from the time the ball was
released until the collision, and the two players were running nearly head on
by the time contact was made.  A defender has too many factors to consider
(speed, angles, descent of the receiver, etc) to be able to extrapolate where
and how contact might be made.  He can't exactly stop time and pull out a
slide rule to figure it out.  It's more just instinct and courage at that
point.

So I agree with the call, if not the rule.  And I don't agree with the
labeling of Wilson as dangerous and/or dumb.  Seems like we've been pining for
a safety who will hit like that for a while now.

------ Original Message ------
From: Kristoffer Shields <kms223 at hotmail.com>

> Right, but the argument isn't whether they will call it, but whether they
should.  Just because the top of the helmet made contact doesn't mean he "led
with his helmet..."  The question is the position his head was in when he made
contact.  If he made contact with his face in the receiver's chest, and top of
the helmet happened to make contact with the receiver's helmet because of the
angle at which they collided, I say that should not be a penalty---that's a
textbook hit.  If he ducked his head so the helmet was horizontal as he came
in, then that's a spear, and it should be called.  My recollection (the replay
isn't until tonight) is that Wilson was the prior.... but either way, they'll
call either one now, and my general point is that they shouldn't call the
first.  I mean, Cobbs lost this season and possibly his career because he was
tackled awkwardly last night.  Should that have been a penalty?  Sure, the
defender didn't mean it, but it ended up being an awkward tackle!
>  .....
> 
> > From: clark.m.s at gmail.com
> > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:23:52 -0400
> > To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
> > Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Thigpen trade
> > 
> > You can see on the replay that the TOP of Wilson's helmet made direct
> > contact with the receiver's helmet.
> > They'll call that every time whether it was intended or not.
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:12 AM, jp <spartacusii at kc.rr.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > I guess I must be he odd man out - but I'd like to know just HOW bell
is
> > > supposed to know at the point he's making that play that the receiver
ISN'T
> > > going to come down with the ball.  To my way of seeing it, it wasn't SO
far
> > > over his head that he's going to know it such that he can just give up
on
> > > the play.  I think  it was a cheap call.
> > >
> > > j
> > >
> > > jp
> > >
> > > www.jprescottphoto.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: dolphins-disc-bounces at phins.com [mailto:dolphins-disc-
> > > > bounces at phins.com] On Behalf Of Danny Nelson
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 8:21 PM
> > > > To: Miami Dolphins Discussion
> > > > Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Thigpen trade
> > > >
> > > > Poor call but Bell had no business making contact there.  That's just
> > > asking
> > > > for the call to be made.
> > > >
> > > > ------ Original Message ------
> > > > From: ldouglas <ldouglas at gmail.com>
> > > >
> > > > > too bad we can't even get the calls in our own home. the PI call
> > > > > against bell was BS - it was an uncatchable pass. Riveron may speak
> > > > > spanish but his crews have always been uneven IMO
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10/12/09, Danny Nelson <cheesefrog at usa.net> wrote:
> > > > > > Something about that guy (Thigpen) that intrigues me.  Even if he
> > > turns
> > > > out
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > be a career backup a fifth is better than a two for a prospect
like
> > > > White.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What an incredible opening drive.  Ran it down their freakin'
> > > throats.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------ Original Message ------
> > > > > > From: ldouglas <ldouglas at gmail.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> if that's true that's awesome. Thigpen is a guy that was on
> > > > > >> Belichick's radar when he was left unprotected on the Vikings
roster
> > > > > >> (remember that flap on the radio station with Childress?) so for
> > > Pioli
> > > > > >> to part with him for as low as a 5th ... wow.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On 10/12/09, Rick <mroz66 at comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > >> > Read on a website that we gave up a 5th round pick for TT.
That
> > > means
> > > > we
> > > > > >> > have our 1st thru 4th, two 6ths (ours and Washington's, JT the
> > > player
> > > > > > that
> > > > > >> > keeps on giving) and two 7ths (ours and KC's, we traded one of
our
> > > > 7ths
> > > > > > last
> > > > > >> > year to them for theirs this year). We also have a conditional
> > > pick
> > > > > > coming
> > > > > >> > from KC for the two lineman we sent there (I'm thinking it is
> > > going
> > > to
> > > > > >> > be
> > > > > > a
> > > > > >> > 6th rounder).
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Rick
> > > > > >> >
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