DOLPHINS: Porter's Problems

Thu Nov 12 19:23:12 GMT 2009

They do always seem to vae a lot of good picks along with a 3rd round compensatory pick while we are lucky to every few years get a 7th round comp pick.  Not sure if Brace has played or not, but I know he was fairly higly sought after as a draft pick last year.  We defnitiely need a young, large NG along with a game changing LB - I would tkae both over a WR next year.

> From: mroz66 at comcast.net
> To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:54:55 -0800
> Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Porter's Problems
> 
> The thing the Pats always seem to do right is trade down gaining draft picks 
> for later drafts. In the 2010 draft they have 3 or 4 2nd round draft picks. 
> In the 2011 draft they have two 1st rounders one of which belonged to the 
> "no doubt it is going to be a top 5 pick" Raiders. They still have to hit 
> with the picks BUT they sure do a good job of giving themselves room for 
> errors.
> 
> BTW, I don't think Brace has seen the field for them.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kristoffer Shields" <kms223 at hotmail.com>
> To: <dolphins-disc at phins.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Porter's Problems
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It'll be interesting to see what happens with the Pats over the next few 
> seasons. They've been able to use this model effectively, but partially 
> because they did such a good job drafting (and trading) in the early 2000s 
> and had a stable of stars. Now, for the first time, we're starting to see 
> some turnover in their key players (Seymour is gone, Wilfork could be next, 
> Moss sounds like he won't play too much longer, a number of LBs have 
> retired, a couple DBs lost, etc.). Can they replace them by relying on 
> mid-round draft picks and cheap, late-career vets? Or will they have to 
> take deeper forays into free agency? They will be good as long as they have 
> Brady. But how will they go about replacing these other guys? Brace is a 
> good example---clearly they drafted him to be Wilfork's replacement. But 
> that only works if he ends up being as good as Wilfork....
> 
> 
> 
> > From: richiewohlers at gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:01:21 -0800
> > To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
> > Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Porter's Problems
> >
> > I think that is the best strategy to build a team. But the Patriots don't
> > just build through the draft. They are also willing to sign proven (if
> > troubled) vets who are available for a discount (Welker, Dillon, Moss,
> > Taylor, etc.)
> >
> > I think this is the best model to build a franchise under a salary cap. I
> > think it is also OK to add 1 or 2 high priced free agents to plug a gaping
> > hole if the team is otherwise in good shape and likely to make a playoff
> > run.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:52 AM, bill coddington 
> > <bcoddington at hotmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Pats are smart - they signed Brace from BC as his future replacement - 
> > > will
> > > let Wilford walk and draft another guy with the 3rd round compensatory 
> > > pick
> > > they get next year when Wilfork signs with another team since Wilfork 
> > > was a
> > > 1st round pick. I think Parcells and Sparano and Ireland are trying to
> > > operate in the same manner - work through draft at all costs and avoid
> > > costly FA's.
> > >
> > > Just my 2 cents.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > BC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: kms223 at hotmail.com
> > > > To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
> > > > Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:37:26 -0500
> > > > Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Porter's Problems
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I meant to mention this earlier and Rotoworld just reminded me... 
> > > > Wilfork
> > > is a FA this year. I know he's older than the guys we'd usually target, 
> > > but
> > > boy he would plug into the middle nicely. I assume the Pats will try to 
> > > keep
> > > him, but I'm surprised they haven't signed him already---they usually 
> > > get
> > > that done early.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: ldouglas at gmail.com
> > > > > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:51:03 -0500
> > > > > To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Porter's Problems
> > > > >
> > > > > We need a like for like relacement for Ferguson for sure!
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: thebigfish at smunet.net <thebigfish at smunet.net>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:17 PM
> > > > > To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Porter's Problems
> > > > >
> > > > > Got the mouth, got the swagger, and probably brings
> > > > > some leadership - although with the return of Jason,
> > > > > it's less of a issue.
> > > > >
> > > > > LB is the most obvious place for improvement on the
> > > > > D. We have needed help there for a while if you count
> > > > > the fact Zach had been losing ground for several
> > > > > seasons before he was cut.
> > > > >
> > > > > What's everyone perception of the DL?
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------- Original Message -------
> > > > > From : Kristoffer Shields[mailto:kms223 at hotmail.com]
> > > > > Sent : 11/9/2009 11:09:25 AM
> > > > > To : dolphins-disc at phins.com
> > > > > Cc :
> > > > > Subject : RE: Re: DOLPHINS: Porter's Problems
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And the problem with a player like Porter is that
> > > > > when you start reducing his snaps, you have to worry
> > > > > about him in the locker room. I think he's simply
> > > > > lost a step and I agree that he was somewhat
> > > > > overrated to begin with. I really wish we could have
> > > > > moved him in the off-season---but I suppose with that
> > > > > contract, even coming off of last year, we probably
> > > > > couldn't have gotten much for him. It's interesting,
> > > > > though---if you look at the LBs, that's clearly the
> > > > > unit that looks the least like a Parcells team of any
> > > > > on the team. Both starting OLBs are old, the ILBs
> > > > > are a combination of journeymen and a guy who has
> > > > > potential but has never shown big-play ability. It
> > > > > seems like each off-season, they have targeted a
> > > > > specific position and snagged multiple players at
> > > > > that position to try to solve a problem. I have a
> > > > > feeling this year will be LB's turn.
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: mroz66 at comcast.net
> > > > > > To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
> > > > > > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:58:35 -0800
> > > > > > Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Porter's Problems
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have never been much a Porter fan. I think he is
> > > > > one of the most over
> > > > > > rated players to ever play in the NFL. That said,
> > > > > he had a great first 12
> > > > > > games last year but has been MIA for the last 12
> > > > > games or so. Wake who has
> > > > > > played a lot less then Porter basically has the
> > > > > same stats (1 more sack, 1
> > > > > > less tackle). As the season progesses I would like
> > > > > to see Wake get more PT
> > > > > > especially in passrush situations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rick
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Through half the season, Joey Porter has 12
> > > > > tackles and 2½ sacks. (Wasn't
> > > > > > > that one game for Zach?) He has mostly been
> > > > > ineffective this season. It
> > > > > > > pretty much was the same story in his first
> > > > > season with the Dolphins. Last
> > > > > > > season, though,
> > > > > > > Porter was one of the best defensive players in
> > > > > the league.
> > > > > > > What's the difference? Could it be Jason Taylor?
> > > > > The common factor between
> > > > > > > this season and two seasons ago was the presence
> > > > > of Jason Taylor, who's
> > > > > > > doing better
> > > > > > > this season but not spectacular (also mostly shut
> > > > > out yesterday). What is
> > > > > > > it about JT's presence that minimizes Porter's
> > > > > effectiveness? Is it that
> > > > > > > he can't freelance? Or is it a factor at all?
> > > > > >
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