DOLPHINS: J-E-T-S. Jets. Jets. Jets.

Mon Nov 2 20:27:25 GMT 2009

At first it's alarming to see a team gaining only 104 yards of offense, but
when you add 200 return yards you can see that the offense just didn't have
that much of an opportunity to do its thing because the return team did too
well.

But even so, the offense needs to do better than 104 yards.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Danny Nelson <cheesefrog at usa.net> wrote:

> Yeah, all you have to do is think of the returns as 100 yard drives.  What
> difference does it make if it's a return or pass that goes the distance?
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: Richie Wohlers <richiewohlers at gmail.com>
>
> > That's a good point Danny.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Danny Nelson <cheesefrog at usa.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > > What I don't get is why everyone (read:media) is so focused on the the
> > > yardage
> > > thing.  It *should* be apparent to anyone who knows football that a
> team
> > > that
> > > scores on consecutive kickoffs and then again defense is not going to
> have
> > > their offense on the field very often.  Sure the 104 yards is small but
> you
> > > have to put it into perspective.  They didn't offense rarely had the
> ball
> > > therefore they were not going to put up numbers.
> > >
> > > The other thing that people seem to have forgotten is that return yards
> > > actually mean something.  I know this should be obvious but yardage on
> > > returns
> > > is no different than yardage on offense.
> > >
> > > If you include the return yards in the stats, then the Jets only
> outgained
> > > the
> > > Dolphins 538-422.  That's nice but it's clearly not the landslide that
> the
> > > Ryan Kool-Aid drinkers are making it out to be.
> > >
> > > ------ Original Message ------
> > > From: Patrick McLaughlin <pluvlaw at hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I should add that apparently ESPN's Tim Graham sips the green
> kool-aid
> as
> > > he
> > > has a new AFC East blog post up titled:  "Take your pick:  Most absurd
> AFC
> > > East result"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Eff you, Graham.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
>
> http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/5550/take-your-pick-most-absurd-afc-east-result
> > > >
> > > > Patrick, getting down verbally...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: pluvlaw at hotmail.com
> > > > > To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
> > > > > Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:23:43 -0500
> > > > > Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: J-E-T-S. Jets. Jets. Jets.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You're absolutely right. I thought of that last night and forgot
> about
> > > it
> > > until I read your post. A big reason we were outgained so much was that
> we
> > > were basically the Colts to the Jets playing our role from the
> Colts-Miami
> > > game. Only this time, our yardage came from two kick returns and a
> fumble
> > > return as opposed to the Colts coming from Peyton picking us apart.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like to point out that in the two games between us, Bart Squat
> has
> > > 16
> > > solo tackles and 1 sack. From the much less-glamorous position of end
> in
> a
> > > 3-4, the much cheaper Randy Starks has 11 solos and two sacks. And his
> > > plays
> > > have also been "bigger" as several of his stops have been in the
> backfield
> > > and
> > > his sack yesterday was HUGE. I forgot to mention this was Starks' best
> game
> > > as
> > > a Dolphin. With Starks, Soliai, Merling and McDanial all coming up with
> > > solid
> > > efforts lately, I am starting to feel optimistic about our DLs future.
> > > > >
> > > > > Patrick, getting down verbally...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: kms223 at hotmail.com
> > > > > > To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
> > > > > > Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:03:09 -0500
> > > > > > Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: J-E-T-S. Jets. Jets. Jets.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It was by far the best game the D has played this year. I watched
> the
> > > "short cuts" last night and watching it a second time, I was actually
> > > pleasantly surprised. The "4 to 1" thing is an enormous exaggeration.
> > > Neither
> > > team moved the ball in the first half---the big problem for the Fins in
> > > that
> > > half was that Henne missed a couple throws. The Jets loaded up against
> the
> > > run, and when we tried to throw to soften them, it was sailing a bit on
> > > Henne
> > > (meanwhile, Sanchez was short-arming everything). In the third quarter,
> the
> > > Fins had the ball THREE times. That's it. We got it first, didn't do a
> > > whole
> > > lot with it and punted with about 13 minutes left in the quarter. The
> next
> > > time we got the ball was with 1:30 left in the third, and we had scored
> 3
> > > TDs
> > > in the meantime. AND when we got it back at that point, we proceeded to
> go
> > > on
> > > a roughly 8-minute, 13-play TD drive. We got the ball one more time
> when
> we
> > > were trying to run clock and had a bad possession.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As for the Jets, they were just as fortunate to be in the game in
> the
> > > 4th as we were to win it. We were up 11 with about 6 or 7 minutes left
> in
> > > the
> > > third and getting the ball back....and Bess fumbled (though I guess
> special
> > > teams doesn't count, right Rex?). That's when the game got crazy---the
> Jets
> > > had 3 TD drives in their next three possessions... but that one was a
> short
> > > field, with the payoff being that weird Edwards TD catch that was
> either
> a
> > > great catch or really lucky, depending on your perspective. The second
> was
> > > almost entirely one big play where Vontae made a really bad play going
> for
> > > the
> > > ball (a rookie mistake I can live with as long as he learns from it---I
> > > thought overall he played really well yesterday). And the third was
> > > basically
> > > a big play on a screen (gotta fight through blocks better) followed by
> an
> > > amazing catch by Keller. Now, I'm not saying any of those are
> undeserved
> or
> > > anything----I'm just saying that a statement that "if you take those
> three
> > > or
> > > !
> > > > > > so big plays away" is no stupider than "we outgained them 4 to
> 1."
> > > Just
> > > like the last one, it was a closely-played game, where both teams made
> some
> > > big plays---the Jets' big plays happened to be on offense, and the
> > > Dolphins'
> > > on defense and special teams.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The bottom line is that I was prepared to say about this game
> that
> > > the
> > > Dolphins really did get lucky (much as we got unlucky in the Colts
> game),
> > > but
> > > the Jets don't get the right to point that out. But watching the short
> > > cuts, I
> > > no longer think that is the case---we did not get outplayed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: pluvlaw at hotmail.com
> > > > > > > To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
> > > > > > > Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:18:37 -0500
> > > > > > > Subject: DOLPHINS: J-E-T-S. Jets. Jets. Jets.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A few points about Sunday's win:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > First, as to whether or not we "deserved" to win: Hell yes. If
> > > anything, the Jets have spent the last three weeks spitting into the
> > > Football
> > > Gods eyes and they reaped it this Sunday. Karma ain't the stuff that
> goes
> > > on
> > > apples, Rex. It's the thing that bites you in your very large posterior
> > > when
> > > you anger the gods.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Second, Lionel (it was Lionel, right?) is right: his name
> should
> be
> > > Bart Squat. Dude...you were outplayed by Reggie Torbor today. Shut it.
> And
> > > for
> > > the record, given their performances against the class of the league
> (Colts
> > > and Saints), this Miami team would deserve to be in the Super Bowl more
> > > than
> > > your team.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Third, after watching NFLNetwork last night for 2 full hours
> just
> > > to
> > > rewatch the highlights of this game (we got bumped the first time
> through
> > > because HIM came out to answer questions in his Wranglers), I was not
> > > disappointed. I have not seen anyone on here discuss Ryan's comments
> about
> > > how
> > > he would rather be in their locker room "moving forward" than in ours.
> "We
> > > got
> > > a better record.." and other bullshit. The true beauty of that
> statement
> is
> > > that it shows how lost Ryan really is. Miami was not supposed to be any
> > > good
> > > last year and they whipped you to win the division. Miami was not
> supposed
> > > to
> > > be that good this year, and we have swept you. But more importantly,
> Miami
> > > is
> > > doing it all with an eye to the future. We haven't traded away draft
> picks
> > > or
> > > brought in pricey older free agents. Your team mortgaged the future to
> win
> > > last year and lost. Then you doubled down this year and the results
> ain't
> > > looking that grand. On a whole, we have beaten you with what the exper!
> > > > > > ts!
> > > > > > > would consider as "inferior" talent. What's gonna happen when
> our
> > > talent catches up (something that will happen quickly b/c we can reload
> > > cheaper and younger than you)?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fourth, I liked Taylor's comments: "it's like a graveyard
> around
> > > here...write about that." How fitting that JT got the chance to stick
> one
> > > last
> > > dagger in Jets fans at the Meadowlands. He deserved it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fifth, while I am certainly pleased with Teddy's big returns,
> he
> > > still
> > > looks afraid of getting hit. On one of those KRs after the two TDs, he
> > > absolutely dropped to the ground like a ragdoll to avoid a hit. You
> can't
> > > help
> > > but want the Sparano to try him at PR, but how's he gonna react to
> those
> > > bodies flying at thim then? Is that the reason he has not been put back
> > > there
> > > again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sixth, Damien Woody...perhaps if you would have "dominated" the
> > > line a
> > > bit better there at the end, Mark Sanchez would not have been buried by
> > > Randy
> > > Starks up the middle.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Seventh, 3 rookie DBs against your golden boy QB, in your
> house,
> in
> > > a
> > > game you have been psyching yourself up for 3 weeks on and we get the
> win.
> > > I'll take that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Eighth, best game of Soliai's Miami career, bar none. He was a
> > > beast
> > > in the middle.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ninth, I think the benching worked on not just Ginn, but
> especially
> > > on
> > > Wilson.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tenth and final point, you could tell our D got up for this
> game.
> > > Very
> > > impressed by the way all the guys responded. Was glad to see our guys
> keep
> > > grinding away so they have the last laugh at the end, with the best
> > > comeback
> > > of all: "SCOREBOARD."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Patrick, getting down verbally...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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