DOLPHINS: J-E-T-S. Jets. Jets. Jets.

Mon Nov 2 20:15:20 GMT 2009

Yeah, all you have to do is think of the returns as 100 yard drives.  What
difference does it make if it's a return or pass that goes the distance?

------ Original Message ------
From: Richie Wohlers <richiewohlers at gmail.com>

> That's a good point Danny.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Danny Nelson <cheesefrog at usa.net> wrote:
> 
> > What I don't get is why everyone (read:media) is so focused on the the
> > yardage
> > thing.  It *should* be apparent to anyone who knows football that a team
> > that
> > scores on consecutive kickoffs and then again defense is not going to
have
> > their offense on the field very often.  Sure the 104 yards is small but
you
> > have to put it into perspective.  They didn't offense rarely had the ball
> > therefore they were not going to put up numbers.
> >
> > The other thing that people seem to have forgotten is that return yards
> > actually mean something.  I know this should be obvious but yardage on
> > returns
> > is no different than yardage on offense.
> >
> > If you include the return yards in the stats, then the Jets only
outgained
> > the
> > Dolphins 538-422.  That's nice but it's clearly not the landslide that
the
> > Ryan Kool-Aid drinkers are making it out to be.
> >
> > ------ Original Message ------
> > From: Patrick McLaughlin <pluvlaw at hotmail.com>
> >
> > >
> > > I should add that apparently ESPN's Tim Graham sips the green kool-aid
as
> > he
> > has a new AFC East blog post up titled:  "Take your pick:  Most absurd
AFC
> > East result"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Eff you, Graham.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/5550/take-your-pick-most-absurd-afc-east-result
> > >
> > > Patrick, getting down verbally...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: pluvlaw at hotmail.com
> > > > To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
> > > > Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:23:43 -0500
> > > > Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: J-E-T-S. Jets. Jets. Jets.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You're absolutely right. I thought of that last night and forgot
about
> > it
> > until I read your post. A big reason we were outgained so much was that
we
> > were basically the Colts to the Jets playing our role from the
Colts-Miami
> > game. Only this time, our yardage came from two kick returns and a fumble
> > return as opposed to the Colts coming from Peyton picking us apart.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to point out that in the two games between us, Bart Squat
has
> > 16
> > solo tackles and 1 sack. From the much less-glamorous position of end in
a
> > 3-4, the much cheaper Randy Starks has 11 solos and two sacks. And his
> > plays
> > have also been "bigger" as several of his stops have been in the
backfield
> > and
> > his sack yesterday was HUGE. I forgot to mention this was Starks' best
game
> > as
> > a Dolphin. With Starks, Soliai, Merling and McDanial all coming up with
> > solid
> > efforts lately, I am starting to feel optimistic about our DLs future.
> > > >
> > > > Patrick, getting down verbally...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: kms223 at hotmail.com
> > > > > To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
> > > > > Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:03:09 -0500
> > > > > Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: J-E-T-S. Jets. Jets. Jets.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It was by far the best game the D has played this year. I watched
the
> > "short cuts" last night and watching it a second time, I was actually
> > pleasantly surprised. The "4 to 1" thing is an enormous exaggeration.
> > Neither
> > team moved the ball in the first half---the big problem for the Fins in
> > that
> > half was that Henne missed a couple throws. The Jets loaded up against
the
> > run, and when we tried to throw to soften them, it was sailing a bit on
> > Henne
> > (meanwhile, Sanchez was short-arming everything). In the third quarter,
the
> > Fins had the ball THREE times. That's it. We got it first, didn't do a
> > whole
> > lot with it and punted with about 13 minutes left in the quarter. The
next
> > time we got the ball was with 1:30 left in the third, and we had scored 3
> > TDs
> > in the meantime. AND when we got it back at that point, we proceeded to
go
> > on
> > a roughly 8-minute, 13-play TD drive. We got the ball one more time when
we
> > were trying to run clock and had a bad possession.
> > > > >
> > > > > As for the Jets, they were just as fortunate to be in the game in
the
> > 4th as we were to win it. We were up 11 with about 6 or 7 minutes left in
> > the
> > third and getting the ball back....and Bess fumbled (though I guess
special
> > teams doesn't count, right Rex?). That's when the game got crazy---the
Jets
> > had 3 TD drives in their next three possessions... but that one was a
short
> > field, with the payoff being that weird Edwards TD catch that was either
a
> > great catch or really lucky, depending on your perspective. The second
was
> > almost entirely one big play where Vontae made a really bad play going
for
> > the
> > ball (a rookie mistake I can live with as long as he learns from it---I
> > thought overall he played really well yesterday). And the third was
> > basically
> > a big play on a screen (gotta fight through blocks better) followed by an
> > amazing catch by Keller. Now, I'm not saying any of those are undeserved
or
> > anything----I'm just saying that a statement that "if you take those
three
> > or
> > !
> > > > > so big plays away" is no stupider than "we outgained them 4 to 1."
> > Just
> > like the last one, it was a closely-played game, where both teams made
some
> > big plays---the Jets' big plays happened to be on offense, and the
> > Dolphins'
> > on defense and special teams.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bottom line is that I was prepared to say about this game that
> > the
> > Dolphins really did get lucky (much as we got unlucky in the Colts game),
> > but
> > the Jets don't get the right to point that out. But watching the short
> > cuts, I
> > no longer think that is the case---we did not get outplayed.
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: pluvlaw at hotmail.com
> > > > > > To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
> > > > > > Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:18:37 -0500
> > > > > > Subject: DOLPHINS: J-E-T-S. Jets. Jets. Jets.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A few points about Sunday's win:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First, as to whether or not we "deserved" to win: Hell yes. If
> > anything, the Jets have spent the last three weeks spitting into the
> > Football
> > Gods eyes and they reaped it this Sunday. Karma ain't the stuff that goes
> > on
> > apples, Rex. It's the thing that bites you in your very large posterior
> > when
> > you anger the gods.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Second, Lionel (it was Lionel, right?) is right: his name should
be
> > Bart Squat. Dude...you were outplayed by Reggie Torbor today. Shut it.
And
> > for
> > the record, given their performances against the class of the league
(Colts
> > and Saints), this Miami team would deserve to be in the Super Bowl more
> > than
> > your team.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Third, after watching NFLNetwork last night for 2 full hours just
> > to
> > rewatch the highlights of this game (we got bumped the first time through
> > because HIM came out to answer questions in his Wranglers), I was not
> > disappointed. I have not seen anyone on here discuss Ryan's comments
about
> > how
> > he would rather be in their locker room "moving forward" than in ours.
"We
> > got
> > a better record.." and other bullshit. The true beauty of that statement
is
> > that it shows how lost Ryan really is. Miami was not supposed to be any
> > good
> > last year and they whipped you to win the division. Miami was not
supposed
> > to
> > be that good this year, and we have swept you. But more importantly,
Miami
> > is
> > doing it all with an eye to the future. We haven't traded away draft
picks
> > or
> > brought in pricey older free agents. Your team mortgaged the future to
win
> > last year and lost. Then you doubled down this year and the results ain't
> > looking that grand. On a whole, we have beaten you with what the exper!
> > > > > ts!
> > > > > > would consider as "inferior" talent. What's gonna happen when our
> > talent catches up (something that will happen quickly b/c we can reload
> > cheaper and younger than you)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fourth, I liked Taylor's comments: "it's like a graveyard around
> > here...write about that." How fitting that JT got the chance to stick one
> > last
> > dagger in Jets fans at the Meadowlands. He deserved it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fifth, while I am certainly pleased with Teddy's big returns, he
> > still
> > looks afraid of getting hit. On one of those KRs after the two TDs, he
> > absolutely dropped to the ground like a ragdoll to avoid a hit. You can't
> > help
> > but want the Sparano to try him at PR, but how's he gonna react to those
> > bodies flying at thim then? Is that the reason he has not been put back
> > there
> > again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sixth, Damien Woody...perhaps if you would have "dominated" the
> > line a
> > bit better there at the end, Mark Sanchez would not have been buried by
> > Randy
> > Starks up the middle.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Seventh, 3 rookie DBs against your golden boy QB, in your house,
in
> > a
> > game you have been psyching yourself up for 3 weeks on and we get the
win.
> > I'll take that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eighth, best game of Soliai's Miami career, bar none. He was a
> > beast
> > in the middle.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ninth, I think the benching worked on not just Ginn, but
especially
> > on
> > Wilson.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tenth and final point, you could tell our D got up for this game.
> > Very
> > impressed by the way all the guys responded. Was glad to see our guys
keep
> > grinding away so they have the last laugh at the end, with the best
> > comeback
> > of all: "SCOREBOARD."
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Patrick, getting down verbally...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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