DOLPHINS: History of Blackouts

Sun Dec 20 20:01:41 GMT 2009

No. It has never been there. ESPN is a channel. Comcast is a distribution facility that will own a content company that has a network with current NFL rights and a library of 4 decades of games with their brand.

Garbo...big difference.

ldouglas <ldouglas at gmail.com> wrote:

>that opportunity has been there forever tho and the NFL has been very
>careful about how it treats its product esp. after broadcast. people
>have been predicting the nfl going ppv for years and it hasn't
>happened. it would seem logical for it to happen, but there's more
>involved - namely (i think) the stadium revenue is of prime importance
>to the owners - it's the only place they can compete for money above
>the revenue sharing.
>
>now if they ever break the revenue sharing model, i think we'll see
>all sorts of new stuff
>
>On 12/20/09, Joe Garbarino <jhgarbo at aol.com> wrote:
>> I realize that. But now you have the company that produced the game
>> (NBC)lined up with a company with hundreds of channels. Combine that with
>> League that needs new ways to generate revenue.
>>
>> Garbo...just saying this creates a greater possibilities. Maybe VOD.
>>
>> ldouglas <ldouglas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>yeah but they can never replay that game in its entirety without the
>>>express written consent ...
>>>
>>>the only time i've seen a game replayed as it was broadcast is on espn
>>>(an nfl films presentation) and on the NFL network.
>>>
>>>On 12/20/09, Joe Garbarino <jhgarbo at aol.com> wrote:
>>>> NFL Films films the game separately from the broadcast.
>>>>
>>>> Garbo...we're talking Kyle Rote and Al De Rogatis NBC Video tape.
>>>>
>>>> ldouglas <ldouglas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>yeah  but all NFL game film is property of the NFL, not the networks
>>>>>
>>>>>On 12/19/09, Joe Garbarino <jhgarbo at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Becomes more likely if Comcast/ NBC. Content is king.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Garbo...can't remember ever cheering for the Boys before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dolfandave at att.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hey Garbo,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You may know this. I love collecting tapes of old games and though I
>>>>>>> saw
>>>>>>> the 74 Oakland vs Miami classinc playoff game on NFL replay they only
>>>>>>> showed edited parts of the game. Do you know if they will ever show
>>>>>>> games
>>>>>>> like that in their entirety? I sure would love to watch games like
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> though I know the outcome especially from the early 70's. Your
>>>>>>> thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>ddave
>>>>>>>-------------- Original message from Joe Garbarino <jhgarbo at aol.com>:
>>>>>>> --------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You kids are too young to remember - but nfl games prior to 1973 were
>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>> blacked out locally. Regardless of sellouts. So during the 72
>>>>>>>> season,there was a
>>>>>>>> gridlock of cars heading to Ft. Pierce bars.
>>>>>>>> In the early 1980s, I worked with famed Attorney Ellis Rubin to
>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>> the rule
>>>>>>>> so signals penatrating the 100 mile radius could not carry the Game.
>>>>>>>> Thus
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> people were "forced" to attend & less games were blacked out. ( I was
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> management team of the WPB NBC station.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Garbo...more to me than meets the eye or email.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kristoffer Shields wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >The NE game ended up being flexed out and played Sunday afternoon.
>>>>>>>> > Though I
>>>>>>>> guess here, at least, it ended up being the Sunday national game, so
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>> is still the same.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> From: spartacusii at kc.rr.com
>>>>>>>> >> To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
>>>>>>>> >> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:01:23 -0600
>>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Respect !
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Only difference is what the cost per game winds up being. If you
>>>>>>>> >> wind
>>>>>>>> >> up
>>>>>>>> >> getting 16 games on Sunday ticket, then your cost per game would
>>>>>>>> >> be
>>>>>>>> >> less
>>>>>>>> >> than if you only got, say, 10 games.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> As it was this year, the schedule already had us down to 12 games
>>>>>>>> >> cuz
>>>>>>>> >> they
>>>>>>>> >> had 2 MNF games, & the NFL network game the week prior to
>>>>>>>> >> Thanksgiving, & a
>>>>>>>> >> SNF game vs NE on 12/6.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> The rub is that directv doesn't market the Sunday ticket package
>>>>>>>> >> as
>>>>>>>> >> a
>>>>>>>> >> way to
>>>>>>>> >> get all the games of any given team. Their pitch is that you get
>>>>>>>> >> up
>>>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>>>> >> 13
>>>>>>>> >> (?) games on Sunday, subject to blackout rules.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> & just for the record, I am a Sunday ticket consumer, & have been
>>>>>>>> >> for
>>>>>>>> >> something like 12 or 13 years. I just accepted a long time ago
>>>>>>>> >> that
>>>>>>>> >> these
>>>>>>>> >> scenarios would crop up from time to time, & no matter how I
>>>>>>>> >> sliced
>>>>>>>> >> it, it
>>>>>>>> >> was still way better than just getting the occassional game that I
>>>>>>>> >> could
>>>>>>>> >> hope for. Not much different than if I lived in the market, bought
>>>>>>>> >> season
>>>>>>>> >> tickets, & for whatever reason couldn't attend a game here &
>>>>>>>> >> there.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> jp
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> www.jprescottphoto.com
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> >> > From: dolphins-disc-bounces at phins.com [mailto:dolphins-disc-
>>>>>>>> >> > bounces at phins.com] On Behalf Of Richie Wohlers
>>>>>>>> >> > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:25 PM
>>>>>>>> >> > To: Miami Dolphins Discussion
>>>>>>>> >> > Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Respect !
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > What difference does it make if you are watching the game on
>>>>>>>> >> > DirecTV
>>>>>>>> >> > or
>>>>>>>> >> the
>>>>>>>> >> > CBS affiliate?
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Salas, Randy
>>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > > The Dolphins will be blacked out on DirecTV in Minnesota
>>>>>>>> >> > > because
>>>>>>>> >> > > the
>>>>>>>> >> local
>>>>>>>> >> > > CBS affiliate has chosen the Dolphins game as its "national"
>>>>>>>> >> > > broadcast.
>>>>>>>> >> We
>>>>>>>> >> > > were talking about it earlier this week. DirecTV has to black
>>>>>>>> >> > > out
>>>>>>>> >> > > Sunday
>>>>>>>> >> > > Ticket when it duplicates a local broadcast. So not only am I
>>>>>>>> >> > > paying for
>>>>>>>> >> a
>>>>>>>> >> > > game on DirecTV that I'm getting for free locally, but I also
>>>>>>>> >> > > can't
>>>>>>>> >> watch it
>>>>>>>> >> > > on the channel that I'm paying for. Makes no sense. And based
>>>>>>>> >> > > on
>>>>>>>> >> > > the
>>>>>>>> >> > > broadcast map that Garbo posted, much of the nation is going
>>>>>>>> >> > > to
>>>>>>>> >> > > have the
>>>>>>>> >> > > same situation.
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > And to further complicate things, this is only true because
>>>>>>>> >> > > the
>>>>>>>> >> > > Vikings
>>>>>>>> >> > > aren't playing at the same time as the Dolphins. If the
>>>>>>>> >> > > Vikings
>>>>>>>> >> > > had
>>>>>>>> >> happened
>>>>>>>> >> > > to be playing at noon on Fox, the CBS affiliate couldn't show
>>>>>>>> >> > > an
>>>>>>>> >> > > NFL
>>>>>>>> >> game of
>>>>>>>> >> > > any kind at the same time (but DirecTV can). Yet when that
>>>>>>>> >> > > Vikings
>>>>>>>> >> > > game
>>>>>>>> >> is
>>>>>>>> >> > > over, the Fox afiliate can't show any NFL game afterward,
>>>>>>>> >> > > while
>>>>>>>> >> > > the CBS
>>>>>>>> >> one
>>>>>>>> >> > > can. The logic behind these blackout rules is illogical.
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > ________________________________________
>>>>>>>> >> > > From: dolphins-disc-bounces at phins.com
>>>>>>>> >> > > [dolphins-disc-bounces at phins.com]
>>>>>>>> >> > On
>>>>>>>> >> > > Behalf Of Richie Wohlers [richiewohlers at gmail.com]
>>>>>>>> >> > > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 9:00 PM
>>>>>>>> >> > > To: Miami Dolphins Discussion
>>>>>>>> >> > > Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Respect !
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > Why would it be blacked out in Minnesota?
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Salas, Randy
>>>>>>>> >> > > wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > So just a warning for DirecTV viewers who watch the Dolphins
>>>>>>>> >> > > > on
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Sunday
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Ticket: There's a good chance, as with me and Garbo here in
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Minnesota,
>>>>>>>> >> > > that
>>>>>>>> >> > > > the DirecTV channel (707 this week) is going to be blacked
>>>>>>>> >> > > > out,
>>>>>>>> >> because
>>>>>>>> >> > > the
>>>>>>>> >> > > > game is being broadcast by the local CBS affiliate.
>>>>>>>> >> > > > According
>>>>>>>> >> > > > to
>>>>>>>> >> > > > that
>>>>>>>> >> > > map,
>>>>>>>> >> > > > at least. (That Sunday Ticket was really expensive this
>>>>>>>> >> > > > year,
>>>>>>>> >> > > > for only
>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>> >> > > > what -- 10-11 games?)
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > ________________________________________
>>>>>>>> >> > > > From: dolphins-disc-bounces at phins.com
>>>>>>>> >> [dolphins-disc-bounces at phins.com]
>>>>>>>> >> > > On
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Behalf Of jhgarbo at aol.com [jhgarbo at aol.com]
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 4:58 PM
>>>>>>>> >> > > > To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Subject: DOLPHINS: Respect !
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > A look at this week's broadcast distribution map shows the
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Miami
>>>>>>>> >> > > > /
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Tennessee tilt getting a bit more coverage than the
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Pats/Bills
>>>>>>>> >> > > > game -
>>>>>>>> >> or
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Cincy / San Diego - or any of the others !!
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > http://the506.com/nflmaps/
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Garbo...maybe Dick Enberg* knows something we don't ?
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > *Favorite "Enberg Outta-It" moment: About 10 years ago on
>>>>>>>> >> > > > the
>>>>>>>> >> > > > second
>>>>>>>> >> > > Sunday
>>>>>>>> >> > > > in October, Dick started the game waxing on(as only he can)
>>>>>>>> >> > > > about"what
>>>>>>>> >> a
>>>>>>>> >> > > > perfect September day this is for football."
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > BONUS: Drinking Game. Take a shot every time Dickie exclaims
>>>>>>>> >> > > > "Oh
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> My!!!"
>>>>>>>> >> > > > during the broadcast. ONLY IF YOU HAVE A DESIGNATED DRIVER
>>>>>>>> >> > > > AND
>>>>>>>> >> > DON"T HAVE
>>>>>>>> >> > > TO
>>>>>>>> >> > > > WORK THE FOLLOWING TWO DAYS.
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> >> > > > From: bill coddington
>>>>>>>> >> > > > To: mail list
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Sent: Fri, Dec 18, 2009 8:12 am
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Draft Redux
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Agreed - I don't look at White as just a spread option QB /
>>>>>>>> >> > > > wildpat,
>>>>>>>> >> etc.
>>>>>>>> >> > > > I
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > think he could be a legit QB. Looking forward to seeing him
>>>>>>>> >> > > > in
>>>>>>>> >> preseason
>>>>>>>> >> > > > next
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > year with a year under his belt. I hope we are bale to keep
>>>>>>>> >> > > > thigpen
>>>>>>>> >> as
>>>>>>>> >> > > > well
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > giving us 3 young, good QB's.
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > From: Randy.Salas at startribune.com
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:03:52 -0600
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Draft Redux
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > Isn't it possible that the honchos are just doing what
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > they
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > always
>>>>>>>> >> do
>>>>>>>> >> > > at
>>>>>>>> >> > > > a
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > position of need? That is, drafting two promising players at
>>>>>>>> >> > > > the
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> position
>>>>>>>> >> > > > to see
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > who sticks? The team needed a cornerback, so they drafted
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Sean
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Smith
>>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Vontae
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Davis high. The team needed a WR, so they drafted Brian
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Hartline
>>>>>>>> >> > > > and
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Patrick
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Turner close to each other. They need a QB of the future, so
>>>>>>>> >> > > > they
>>>>>>>> >> drafted
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Chad
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Henne high one year and Pat White high the next. I think
>>>>>>>> >> > > > they're
>>>>>>>> >> > > > just
>>>>>>>> >> > > > covering
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > their bases. And White arguably has some tools that make him
>>>>>>>> >> > > > a
>>>>>>>> >> complement
>>>>>>>> >> > > > to
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > Henne if he works out.
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > From: dolphins-disc-bounces at phins.com [mailto:
>>>>>>>> >> > > > dolphins-disc-bounces at phins.com]
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > On Behalf Of Patrick McLaughlin
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:29 AM
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Draft Redux
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > I don't know...it's hard as hell to figure out their
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > theory
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > on
>>>>>>>> >> > > > >
>>>>>>>> >> White. I
>>>>>>>> >> > > > think
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > it is obvious they have some kind of plan for him (although
>>>>>>>> >> > > > I
>>>>>>>> >> > > > have no
>>>>>>>> >> > > idea
>>>>>>>> >> > > > what
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > it is) or else you would have to think they would have taken
>>>>>>>> >> > > > a
>>>>>>>> >> > > > shot a
>>>>>>>> >> > > > teaching
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > him some WR. Maybe they are simply taking their time with
>>>>>>>> >> > > > him
>>>>>>>> >> > > > and did
>>>>>>>> >> not
>>>>>>>> >> > > > expect
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > much out of him this year.
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > Patrick, getting down verbally...
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:47:32 -0500
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > From: cheesefrog at usa.net
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Draft Redux
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > ------ Original Message ------
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > From: Patrick McLaughlin
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > Hell...I guess it's better proof of them having a good
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > read on
>>>>>>>> >> > > > everyone
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > else
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > if they thought they could take White there and still
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > get
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > Smith.
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > A good read on everyone else, but not their own team
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > perhaps.
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > > > >
>>>>>>>> >> > > >
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