DOLPHINS: Could 5084 become the next 56?

Gmail ldouglas at gmail.com
Sat Dec 20 03:38:54 GMT 2008 

maybe not, but remember - he set 4 single season records in 84 - while
going to the Super Bowl. It's not like it was garbage time comeback
yards/TDs like Drew Brees.

I'm guessing the jump in TDs in the 40's coincided with when they made
the ball smaller.

I thought that one of the guys inducted into the HOF in Marino's class
or one after set the record for 20 TDs in a season with the larger
ball. A jewish guy. I wanna say Benny something.

here it is - Benny Friedman: "Friedman was the NFL's first great
passer. His first four seasons were legendary as he threw an NFL
record 11 touchdowns as a rookie with the Cleveland Bulldogs in 1927,
and set another record in 1929 with 20 TD passes as the quarterback of
the New York Giants."

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/release.jsp?release_id=1390

On 12/19/08, Richie Wohlers <richiewohlers at gmail.com> wrote:
> Definitely doesn't compare to what Fouts did!
>
> But the fact that it has lasted longer than any of the other yardage records
> - and by a long shot - is pretty cool.  Especially that it is holding up
> during an environment where the passing game is emphasized more and more.
>
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 5:32 PM, hector quintanilla <hquintanillan at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Richie, great research.  I guess I was wrong about Marino
>> shattering
>> the yardage record.  It's still a nice bump, but not nearly enough to
>> qualify as shattering, IMO.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Richie Wohlers
>> <richiewohlers at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> And while I'm at it, here's the progression of the TD mark:
>>>
>>> 50 - Brady, 2007   (Lasted 1+ years, broke previous record by 2%)
>>> 49 - Manning, 2004 (3 years, 2%)
>>> 48 - Marino, 1984 (20 years, 33%!!!)
>>> 36 - Tittle, 1963 (21 years, 0%)
>>> 36 - Blanda, 1961 (23 years, 12.5%)
>>> 32 - Unitas, 1959 (2 years, 10%)
>>> 29 - Albert, 1948 (11 years, 3.6%)
>>> 28 - Luckman, 1943 (5 years, 10%)
>>> 24 - Isbell, 1942 (1 year, 60%!!!!)
>>> 15 - Isbell, 1941 (1 year, 25%)
>>> 12 - Baugh, 1940
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Richie Wohlers
>>> <richiewohlers at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Marino's 5,084 beat Dan Fouts' 4,801 from 1981 by 5.9% (Fouts broke his
>>>> own record from the previous year, which broke his record the year
>>>> before
>>>> that).  For Marino's record to be broken by an equivalent percentage,
>>>> somebody would have to throw for 5,384 yards.
>>>>
>>>> In 1979 Fouts threw for 4,082 which broke Namath's mark of 4,007.  In
>>>> 1980 when Fouts threw for 4,715 he broke his own record by 15.5%!  The
>>>> modern equivalent would be breaking Marino's record with 5,872 yards.
>>>> Brian
>>>> Sipe threw for 4,132 in 1980.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the progression of the single-season record.  Marino's has lasted
>>>> the longest, by 11 years.
>>>>
>>>> 5,084 - Marino, 1984
>>>> 4,801 - Fouts, 1981
>>>> 4,715 - Fouts, 1980
>>>> 4,082 - Fouts, 1979
>>>> 4,007 - Namath, 1967
>>>> 3,723 - Jurgensen, 1961
>>>> 3,099 - Unitas, 1960
>>>> 2,938 - Baugh, 1947
>>>> 2,194 - Luckman, 1943
>>>> 2,021 - Isbell, 1942
>>>> 1,479 - Isbell, 1941
>>>> 1,367 - Baugh, 1940
>>>> 1,324 - O'Brien 1939
>>>> 1,239 - Herber, 1936
>>>> 973 - Newman, 1933
>>>> 639 - Herber, 1932
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:53 PM, hector quintanilla <
>>>> hquintanillan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's another thing.  Marino shattered all previous marks, TDs and
>>>>> yards.  Manning and Brady have broken the previous records just barely,
>>>>> and
>>>>> they have benefited of the new defensive rules.
>>>>>
>>>>>   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Gmail <ldouglas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> i agree - and he did it by shattering the previous marks - to me the
>>>>>> true power behind that 84 season.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/19/08, hector quintanilla <hquintanillan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > I still believe it is a great personal record.  As we all know he
>>>>>> > had
>>>>>> one,
>>>>>> > if not, the greatest statistical season of all history.  The yards +
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> > TDs.  And, as we also all know, he did it in a time where it was
>>>>>> > much
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> > dificult to throw the ball and everyone was expecting him to do so.
>>>>>>  Of
>>>>>> > course, not as dificult as the 70s when bump n run was prevalent.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I view it as a personal record not as a team record, and being a
>>>>>> Dolphins
>>>>>> > fans and a Dan Marino fan I ache everytime someone breaks a record
>>>>>> > of
>>>>>> my two
>>>>>> > most beloved sports entities.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 5:57 PM, <dolfandave at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>  It's an impressive record but to some degree it is a sign of
>>>>>> imbalance ie
>>>>>> >> lack of a ground game compared to Danny's greatness. To be
>>>>>> >> perfectly
>>>>>> >> honest
>>>>>> >> I don't think any QB record comes close to Johnny Unitas' 47
>>>>>> straight
>>>>>> >> games
>>>>>> >> with at least one TD pass. Now that IS a record. Danny is second on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> >> list
>>>>>> >> I believe w/ 30.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> ddave
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> -------------- Original message from "Danny Nelson" <
>>>>>> cheesefrog at usa.net>:
>>>>>> >> --------------
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > That record is important to me, pretty much because it's the only
>>>>>> league
>>>>>> >> > record of significance left that I can think of. 48 TDs is gone,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> >> Favre
>>>>>> >> > shot down most of the major career marks. I mean, he's still got
>>>>>> lots of
>>>>>> >> > records but it would be nice to see him hang on to that one for a
>>>>>> while
>>>>>> >> > longer.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > ------ Original Message ------
>>>>>> >> > From: "Mark S. Clark"
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > > What's the consensus on this list about this record?
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > > I mean, it is a really impressive record to have, and I hope
>>>>>> that Dan
>>>>>> >> gets
>>>>>> >> > > to enjoy it well into his old age. As a *personal* record, it's
>>>>>> >> certainly
>>>>>> >> > > something to be proud of.
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > > On the other hand, as a fan of the team I find I like it less
>>>>>> than I
>>>>>> >> used
>>>>>> >> > > to, because it's a reminder of how one dimensional that team
>>>>>> was, and
>>>>>> >> > > a
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > > reminder that despite Dan's arm taking them to the SB, Joe
>>>>>> Montana and
>>>>>> >> the
>>>>>> >> > > 49ers showed them what happens to one dimensional teams against
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> >> balanced
>>>>>> >> > > big dog.
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > > Does that make sense, or am I just seeing the glass half empty?
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > > Mark
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >>  > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:43 AM, Gmail wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > > > Dan Marino's single-season yardage record gaining in stature
>>>>>> >> > > > -
>>>>>> >> > > > Football - MiamiHerald.com
>>>>>> >> > > > http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/football/story/818857.html
>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>> >> > > > Local choirs sing every year when the NFL's last unbeaten
>>>>>> >> > > > team
>>>>>> >> > > > inevitably loses and the historical distinction of the
>>>>>> Dolphins'
>>>>>> >> > > > 1972
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > > > Perfect Season remains unique.
>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>> >> > > > But year by year the one major season passing record still
>>>>>> held by
>>>>>> >> > > > Miami's Dan Marino grows in stature to a point approaching
>>>>>> 17-0.
>>>>>> >> > > > With
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > > > every challenge that is parried, Marino's 5,084 yards in 1984
>>>>>> seems
>>>>>> >> > > > taller, bigger, more beyond reach.
>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>> >> > > > Peyton Manning and Tom Brady couldn't catch it even as they
>>>>>> set TD
>>>>>> >> > > > records in MVP seasons.
>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>> >> > > > This year, the Saints' Drew Brees and Cardinals' Kurt Warner
>>>>>> were on
>>>>>> >> > > > pace to surpass Marino, but barring miracle finishes, neither
>>>>>> will.
>>>>>> >> > > > Brees would need 753 yards in his last two games to break No.
>>>>>> 13's
>>>>>> >> > > > 25-year-old standard, and Warner would need 795.
>>>>>> >> > > >
>>>>>> >> > > > If two numbers signify the best of the Dolphins' franchise,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> >> > > > first
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > > > must be 17-0, but right behind it, and gaining, is 5,084.
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